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Sanctuary's Origins
« on: June 03, 2018, 05:02:44 AM »
Juicebox actually gave a mostly accurate summary in the shoutbox a while ago but I'll post the full history here. Now that the cat's out of the bag, I can talk about it in full now. A warning though. I'm about to write War and Peace here, so if you wanna read all this, get ready for some long reading.

The Story of TOTSE
The spirit and modus operandi of Sanctuary is actually old. Very old. If you REALLY wanna get picky about it, it actually probably started with the U.S. Bill of Rights, but let's restrain our scope to the old BBS systems of the 90's and onward. It all started with a BBS network started in the San Francisco Bay area. NIRVANANet. This network was operated by three sysops with mostly the same goals in mind, but we're gonna focus on one sysop and one BBS in particular. Jeff Hunter's "& The Temple of the Screaming Electron", or &TOTSE for short.

&TOTSE focused on the acquisition and storage of text files of all kinds. Text files containing information, stories, recipes, etc. This later expanded into a full-blown internet forum in 1997 and the BBS was shut down in 1998. The other BBS' died but TOTSE survived and, more than that, grew constantly. The community called themselves totseans, and the site became dedicated to the sharing of information. A place where anything could be discussed with certain rules.

https://web.archive.org/web/19981212033530/http://www.totse.com:80/

^ That's the first incarnation of it. This was posted on its front page:

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A lot of people have some weird idea that this web site is a Bad Place, a place for hackers, software pirates, and anarchists. The reason that they think this is that there are informational text files on here about hacking, piracy, and anarchy.

However, there are also text files on here that discuss politics; democratic, right wing, left wing, libertarian, communist, and everything in between, but this is not a political web site.

There are files on here that discuss Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Buddha, Crowley, John Smith, and "Bob", but this is not a religious web site.

There are files full of short stories, science fiction, humorous articles, and great works of literature, but this is not a literary web site.

There are files with information on rocketry, radio broadcasting, chemistry, electronics, genetics, and computers, but this is not a technical web site.

This web site is about INFORMATION. All sorts and all viewpoints. Some of the information you will agree with, some you will find shocking, and some you will probably disagree with violently. That is the whole point. In this society we go to schools where there is one right answer: The Teacher's. There is one acceptable version of events: The Television's. There is only one acceptable occupation: The pursuit of money. There is only one political choice to make: Republicrats (Or Demopublicans, if you prefer.)

On this web site you are expected to make decisions all by yourself. You get to decide who and what to agree with, and why. You get to hear new viewpoints that you may have never heard before. On this web site people exist without age, without skin color, without gender, without clothes, without nationality, without any of the visual cues we usually use to discredit or ignore people who are unlike ourselves. All of these things are stripped away and the ideas themselves are laid bare.

You will change. You will transform. You will learn. You will disagree.

You will enjoy it.

Later on, it evolved slightly to be about freedom of speech as well. The later incarnations of it had the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution pasted front and center on its home page:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050829023834/http://www.totse.com:80/

It seems at first glance that TOTSE was just an interesting site, but somehow as you used the site more and more, it kind of grows into a way of thinking. Of opening your mind up to new experiences more, even if you might reject them later. That's partly what being a true totsean meant. Now, I don't want to romanticize TOTSE too much. It did have some faggotry. In such a popular and loose environment, there were douches posting crap. Spam. Edgelords. Hacking. The usual idiocy. That crap did happen, but I will say it definitely wasn't unmoderated and such idiocy was laughed at and looked down upon.

The site managed to straddle the bleeding edge of freedom of speech and anarchy. It was right in the sweet spot between too much control and not enough. And that was the golden years of TOTSE. It would last from 1989 all the way to 2009 when Jeff Hunter finally shut the site down for good. This is the start of the decline.

On January 17th, 2009, Jeff Hunter, the owner of TOTSE, shut down the site with nothing but a somewhat enigmatic TTFN (Ta-Ta For Now) post for explanation:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090228233303/http://www.totse.com/

Not only were we left without a main backup of the site data, we had VERY little time to organize a replacement, with us all having to crowd onto either Zoklet or totse2. None of us were happy. All of us were pissed at Jeff Hunter. Now I started with totse2, so I'm kinda biased towards that, but basically how it went was that Zoklet got the majority of the userbase and totse2 got the lesser part. Very basically.

Now again, totse2, in my opinion, was actually a great site. Plenty of good times there. I grew up a lot there too. Learned some valuable online lessons. Got hardened up. Continuing on though, during the latter years of totse2's life, someone submitted a text file to our public collection that was a Shake and Bake meth recipe. Over time, this text began to attract all manner of cooks, methheads, wannabe cooks, and etc. to the site. Finally, a disgruntled long-time user of ours began to DDoS the site majorly. And the host of the site didn't like that one bit.

So the site was null-routed and they give the head admin (easy-e) a choice. Either pay to upgrade or GTFO. And with the pressure he was already facing with all the methheads and the other members, he finally snapped and just stopped replying to everyone that was on the site completely. And I mean everyone. Even his fellow admin in command (Idiosyncrasy) got the shaft. So we lost all the site files since the head admin was the one who had control of the hosting. The only thing Idio could salvage from the site was the vBulletin license. (This will be a little important later on.) And thus, after 5 years, the age of totse2 finally ended.

A little bit passed after totse2 was shut down. During this time, I asked all the old members if anyone would be willing to host a replacement site for us at all but no one either could or would do it. I also began to search the internet high and low for an equivalent site we could migrate to but I found nothing that suited our needs. Finally, I came to the realization that if I wanted to see totse2 again or an equivalent of it, I would have to do it all myself. And thus, Sanctuary was first born.

Now, I wasn't the most qualified person at all to start up a website. I could edit programs but I couldn't actually write them myself. I could do a little bit of art in a graphics editor but it was hardly professional level work. And I only knew the bare basics of networking. Nevertheless, there was a gap and I needed to fill it. So I had to learn. Quickly. I started out with SMF 2.0.7 as my forum software and got a nice host in the Netherlands instead of a US one for numerous reasons, most of them having to do with legal liability. We started pretty strong and attracted most all of our members back in some way or another and soon began to build upon the site, modding it here and there and beginning to refine the site rules.

Then, one day, Zoklet was suddenly shut down by none other than Zok himself, stating he did so because of health reasons and just general tiredness I think. And so, users from there had to migrate over to our site. Of course, some more members were lost in the migration as they always are but the userbase we inherited was still pretty formidable. But this userbase would later turn out to be much more of an infection than a blessing.

When we got the Zoklet userbase, we were a little overwhelmed as we didn't really have the manpower to keep watch over everything all the time nor did we really have the rules yet to deal with them. As time went on though, this became less and less of a problem as we refined more rules and got more staff that I thought I could trust completely to handle things. I also continued to improve the site and add features to it.

However, there began to be some dissent among the new Zoklet users. Complaints began to rise quickly. Complaints about bans, complaints about a topic getting moved, complaints about the forum software, complaints about pretty much everything... And with that came the hate and the garbage posting. And not just that, we were getting attacks. DDoS's (our host actually dealt with these like a boss), flooding, and child porn spam. (Every time I saw it, I had to cleanse my eyes with flaming gasoline.)

Me and the staff did begin to finally reign it all in after a bit but soon, Idiosyncrasy began to ask around if people would like an alternative to the Sanctuary and he asked for my help. Now, I didn't approve of making any more splinter sites, period, as I did not want to fracture the userbase even more but Idio was a good guy and if I wanted anyone behind a splinter site at all, it would be him. And he had a shiny vBulletin license as well. So, I let him advertise on my site. After he started it up, the inevitable happened with some the userbase breaking off to post at RDFRN. However, this was partly a good thing as RDFRN took with it a lot of the dumb drama and things began to look up.

What I'm about to post now is a summation I gave to another member of the most recent events that happened. Rocklin is a longtime totse2 member and was a moderator at Sanctuary. hc45 is a script kiddie and a pedophile (not kidding about all that), Sigma or, more properly, S is also a veteran member of totse2 and a moderator at Sanctuary as well.

I don't remember all the details exactly so I may have some things wrong a little but to basically summarize it up as best as I can, Rocklin made a TTFN thread on Sanctuary, I agreed with the reason he posted for leaving Sanctuary and wrote that I was going to try something small. (Forum specializations under one's name.) People asked about it and the thread got off-topic. Rocklin then called out everyone responsible for putting the thread off-topic including me. Sigma got into an argument with the users in the thread. Flipped out and started abusing his power, modding such wonderful members as hc45 who of course immediately flooded the forums with CP. And then started deleting THOUSANDS of threads under the impression that they would be lost forever. And also started deleting as many members as he could. And he's doing all this, not knowing that I kept daily backups of everything. So I restored the most recent backup. Sigma comes on RDFRN before I restore it though, makes an account of a person pretending to be him and then claims his account got hacked with his original account.

I verify his old account with his email and keep him modded, believing him. He does it all again. And again before I finally learn the truth that Sigma really was doing all this. Later, I find out Rocklin was helping him all along as well. Planning this thing out. I don't know how long he was though. Something tells me almost ever since RDFRN was created.

And so, after all that, I finally decide to close down the site and post http://www.rdfrn.com/showthread.php?456-Nothing-Will-Change/ in explanation. (Site is down for good now as well. Idio had his PI exposed by this wonderful community and he got scared.) I do have the thread saved though. This is what I posted in the OP:

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I've been thinking about things very long and hard these past couple days and I've finally decided what needs to be done. The truth, guys, is...

I'm done... If you guys are really going to back up someone who has just went behind my back to create chaos, delete massive amounts of content people have made, and let sick CP porn be posted "for the lulz..." I'm just done. I'm done explaining... I'm done being continually hated on by most EVERYONE for trying to fix things... Wanting to trust people to have a little bit of courtesy. I'm done with the immaturity... I'm done with people trying to look kewl...

I'm not gonna be your guys' whipping boy nor am I going to host RDFRN's "garbage bin" anymore. You guys can have the members and the kidiots now...

And none of the threads or the posts or the software. That all stays with me. I'm keeping what little I have to salvage from all this to myself. I'm also keeping the domain and will renew it regularly. You guys want me out, you got it. But you're not getting any of my hard work or the hard work other members have put into this site. There does indeed seem to be some good people left here and if I knew absolutely that some of you wouldn't give out the database to the other douchebags, I would give it to you as a parting farewell. But I don't know. And it's incredibly apparent now that I can't trust anyone anymore around here.

The time and money I devoted to all of you... I did my best but it just doesn't seem to ever be enough...

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A long time ago, I used to call a lot of you guys friends... Now... What do we all have now? Nothing but hate, idiocy, and rot all around. No patience... No tolerance... Just stupid immature drama and petty games worthy of high school. Oh, and child porn. But hey, that stuff brings the lulz, right guise?

After thinking about all this for a while, it suddenly became clear to me that Sanctuary cannot grow with this core of members. There's too many terrible members in it from both the Zoklet and totse2 past communities. Too many people who want things their way. Too many people who just won't let things go and post. If Sanctuary had much more members and a steady influx, this wouldn't have mattered nearly as much. But starting out with this... Maybe I could have gotten it to all work somehow but I think it's too late anyway. It looks like I need to cut all my losses and make a clean break with this past.

Sanctuary is not dead. But it will be moving away completely and permanently. I will be shutting it down and most likely moving to another undisclosed domain. It may be a long while before I start the site back up again but if I do, I don't really plan to have any members from RDFRN or past Sanctuary on it. I will be scouting around for a while, looking in many different places. Looking for quality members and gathering them together for a new project of sorts. I already have a few in mind. Then launching the site again once I feel we have enough people to start. Away from all... This.

And now, this is where we part ways. To all who truly wished Sanctuary to continue and/or the real quality members, I'm sorry. I just can't do it anymore though.

The rest of you guys can screenshot this for your history books and post it in another quality thread. "arcox ragequits SO MAD LOL"

Which finally brings us to where we are now. During most all of this, I was posting on the Escapist as well. That's where you guys know me. And that's where the story is now. The end of the Escapist and the restart of Sanctuary for you all.

If you're gonna take away anything from this long-ass post, it would be to not forget the true ideals of TOTSE. To free your mind and not let yourself get bogged down in pointless infantile drama. That is what I hope to bring back, and that is what Sanctuary is about. Freedom of speech and freedom of information.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2018, 10:52:58 PM by Arnox »

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 05:47:51 AM »
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

I've never liked drama for dramas sake myself. Can't stand soap-operas or shows involving heavy emotional conflicts. I do love facts and information and truth however. Without all the taboo's. I hope this new Sanctuary will live up to your ideals and flourish for as long as you want. I will try to post more threads..or any for that matter. Never been good at putting myself out there for scrutiny and conflicts though.

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 07:06:23 AM »
Maybe it's because I've been watching One Piece, but I see some serious Shonen potential here.

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 12:42:26 PM »
Off-topic, but I've actually read War and Peace on audiobook. It took around 61 hours. I enjoyed it.

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 02:38:55 PM »
Drama for drama's sake is a pointless endeavour. Life is too short to waste time actively goading people. Light-hearted having fun with people is one thing, but being a complete ass is another.
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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2018, 06:51:11 PM »
I have a question about this though.

What exactly is "NiS"? I've seen the name thrown around but don't see any of that inb this post.

Edit: Also another question, from what I understand in the OP was the original totse a site along the lines of "IntelExchange" (Deep web site) or was it another thing entirely?
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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2018, 12:03:06 AM »
What exactly is "NiS"? I've seen the name thrown around but don't see any of that inb this post.

Edit: Also another question, from what I understand in the OP was the original totse a site along the lines of "IntelExchange" (Deep web site) or was it another thing entirely?

Sorry. I completely forgot to say. NiS is niggasin.space. It's the site that everyone went to when Sanctuary and RDFRN was shut down.

Nah, it was on the regular internet. Back when it started, the BBS systems of old worked on telephone lines. There wasn't quite any internet yet. Or at least as we know it. But as the internet as we knew it came to be, TOTSE was made into a full-fledged HTTP website and the TOTSE BBS was phased out for obvious reasons.

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2018, 02:03:17 AM »

Sorry. I completely forgot to say. NiS is niggasin.space.

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2018, 05:06:54 AM »
I've heard of them.  They made a movie about everyone on the site.
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Wow, that's actually a thing.

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Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2018, 03:57:40 PM »
When I read this, I kept a degree of disattachment, since it was only one side of the story.

I feel like IS's posts have made the other side of the story clear enough. My deepest sympathies, and kudos on you for trying again.


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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2018, 04:34:02 PM »
Juicebox actually gave a mostly accurate summary in the shoutbox a while ago but I'll post the full history here. Now that the cat's out of the bag, I can talk about it in full now. A warning though. I'm about to write War and Peace here, so if you wanna read all this, get ready for some long reading.

The Story of TOTSE
The spirit and modus operandi of Sanctuary is actually old. Very old. If you REALLY wanna get picky about it, it actually probably started with the U.S. Bill of Rights, but let's restrain our scope to the old BBS systems of the 90's and onward. It all started with a BBS network started in the San Francisco Bay area. NIRVANANet. This network was operated by three sysops with mostly the same goals in mind, but we're gonna focus on one sysop and one BBS in particular. Jeff Hunter's "& The Temple of the Screaming Electron", or &TOTSE for short.

&TOTSE focused on the acquisition and storage of text files of all kinds. Text files containing information, stories, recipes, etc. This later expanded into a full-blown internet forum in 1997 and the BBS was shut down in 1998. The other BBS' died but TOTSE survived and, more than that, grew constantly. The community called themselves totseans, and the site became dedicated to the sharing of information. A place where anything could be discussed with certain rules.

https://web.archive.org/web/19981212033530/http://www.totse.com:80/

^ That's the first incarnation of it. This was posted on its front page:

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A lot of people have some weird idea that this web site is a Bad Place, a place for hackers, software pirates, and anarchists. The reason that they think this is that there are informational text files on here about hacking, piracy, and anarchy.

However, there are also text files on here that discuss politics; democratic, right wing, left wing, libertarian, communist, and everything in between, but this is not a political web site.

There are files on here that discuss Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Buddha, Crowley, John Smith, and "Bob", but this is not a religious web site.

There are files full of short stories, science fiction, humorous articles, and great works of literature, but this is not a literary web site.

There are files with information on rocketry, radio broadcasting, chemistry, electronics, genetics, and computers, but this is not a technical web site.

This web site is about INFORMATION. All sorts and all viewpoints. Some of the information you will agree with, some you will find shocking, and some you will probably disagree with violently. That is the whole point. In this society we go to schools where there is one right answer: The Teacher's. There is one acceptable version of events: The Television's. There is only one acceptable occupation: The pursuit of money. There is only one political choice to make: Republicrats (Or Demopublicans, if you prefer.)

On this web site you are expected to make decisions all by yourself. You get to decide who and what to agree with, and why. You get to hear new viewpoints that you may have never heard before. On this web site people exist without age, without skin color, without gender, without clothes, without nationality, without any of the visual cues we usually use to discredit or ignore people who are unlike ourselves. All of these things are stripped away and the ideas themselves are laid bare.

You will change. You will transform. You will learn. You will disagree.

You will enjoy it.

Later on, it evolved slightly to be about freedom of speech as well. The later incarnations of it had the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution pasted front and center on its home page:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050829023834/http://www.totse.com:80/

It seems at first glance that TOTSE was just an interesting site, but somehow as you used the site more and more, it kind of grows into a way of thinking. Of opening your mind up to new experiences more, even if you might reject them later. That's partly what being a true totsean meant. Now, I don't want to romanticize TOTSE too much. It did have some faggotry. In such a popular and loose environment, there were douches posting crap. Spam. Edgelords. Hacking. The usual idiocy. That crap did happen, but I will say it definitely wasn't unmoderated and such idiocy was laughed at and looked down upon.

The site managed to straddle the bleeding edge of freedom of speech and anarchy. It was right in the sweet spot between too much control and not enough. And that was the golden years of TOTSE. It would last from 1989 all the way to 2009 when Jeff Hunter finally shut the site down for good. This is the start of the decline.

On January 17th, 2009, Jeff Hunter, the owner of TOTSE, shut down the site with nothing but a somewhat enigmatic TTFN (Ta-Ta For Now) post for explanation:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090228233303/http://www.totse.com/

Not only were we left without a main backup of the site data, we had VERY little time to organize a replacement, with us all having to crowd onto either Zoklet or totse2. None of us were happy. All of us were pissed at Jeff Hunter. Now I started with totse2, so I'm kinda biased towards that, but basically how it went was that Zoklet got the majority of the userbase and totse2 got the lesser part. Very basically.

Now again, totse2, in my opinion, was actually a great site. Plenty of good times there. I grew up a lot there too. Learned some valuable online lessons. Got hardened up. Continuing on though, during the latter years of totse2's life, someone submitted a text file to our public collection that was a Shake and Bake meth recipe. Over time, this text began to attract all manner of cooks, methheads, wannabe cooks, and etc. to the site. Finally, a disgruntled long-time user of ours began to DDoS the site majorly. And the host of the site didn't like that one bit.

So the site was null-routed and they give the head admin (easy-e) a choice. Either pay to upgrade or GTFO. And with the pressure he was already facing with all the methheads and the other members, he finally snapped and just stopped replying to everyone that was on the site completely. And I mean everyone. Even his fellow admin in command (Idiosyncrasy) got the shaft. So we lost all the site files since the head admin was the one who had control of the hosting. The only thing Idio could salvage from the site was the vBulletin license. (This will be a little important later on.) And thus, after 5 years, the age of totse2 finally ended.

A little bit passed after totse2 was shut down. During this time, I asked all the old members if anyone would be willing to host a replacement site for us at all but no one either could or would do it. I also began to search the internet high and low for an equivalent site we could migrate to but I found nothing that suited our needs. Finally, I came to the realization that if I wanted to see totse2 again or an equivalent of it, I would have to do it all myself. And thus, Sanctuary was first born.

Now, I wasn't the most qualified person at all to start up a website. I could edit programs but I couldn't actually write them myself. I could do a little bit of art in a graphics editor but it was hardly professional level work. And I only knew the bare basics of networking. Nevertheless, there was a gap and I needed to fill it. So I had to learn. Quickly. I started out with SMF 2.0.7 as my forum software and got a nice host in the Netherlands instead of a US one for numerous reasons, most of them having to do with legal liability. We started pretty strong and attracted most all of our members back in some way or another and soon began to build upon the site, modding it here and there and beginning to refine the site rules.

Then, one day, Zoklet was suddenly shut down by none other than Zok himself, stating he did so because of health reasons and just general tiredness I think. And so, users from there had to migrate over to our site. Of course, some more members were lost in the migration as they always are but the userbase we inherited was still pretty formidable. But this userbase would later turn out to be much more of an infection than a blessing.

When we got the Zoklet userbase, we were a little overwhelmed as we didn't really have the manpower to keep watch over everything all the time nor did we really have the rules yet to deal with them. As time went on though, this became less and less of a problem as we refined more rules and got more staff that I thought I could trust completely to handle things. I also continued to improve the site and add features to it.

However, there began to be some dissent among the new Zoklet users. Complaints began to rise quickly. Complaints about bans, complaints about a topic getting moved, complaints about the forum software, complaints about pretty much everything... And with that came the hate and the garbage posting. And not just that, we were getting attacks. DDoS's (our host actually dealt with these like a boss), flooding, and child porn spam. (Every time I saw it, I had to cleanse my eyes with flaming gasoline.)

Me and the staff did begin to finally reign it all in after a bit but soon, Idiosyncrasy began to ask around if people would like an alternative to the Sanctuary and he asked for my help. Now, I didn't approve of making any more splinter sites, period, as I did not want to fracture the userbase even more but Idio was a good guy and if I wanted anyone behind a splinter site at all, it would be him. And he had a shiny vBulletin license as well. So, I let him advertise on my site. After he started it up, the inevitable happened with some the userbase breaking off to post at RDFRN. However, this was partly a good thing as RDFRN took with it a lot of the dumb drama and things began to look up.

What I'm about to post now is a summation I gave to another member of the most recent events that happened. Rocklin is a longtime totse2 member and was a moderator at Sanctuary. hc45 is a script kiddie and a pedophile (not kidding about all that), Sigma or, more properly, S is also a veteran member of totse2 and a moderator at Sanctuary as well.

I don't remember all the details exactly so I may have some things wrong a little but to basically summarize it up as best as I can, Rocklin made a TTFN thread on Sanctuary, I agreed with the reason he posted for leaving Sanctuary and wrote that I was going to try something small. (Forum specializations under one's name.) People asked about it and the thread got off-topic. Rocklin then called out everyone responsible for putting the thread off-topic including me. Sigma got into an argument with the users in the thread. Flipped out and started abusing his power, modding such wonderful members as hc45 who of course immediately flooded the forums with CP. And then started deleting THOUSANDS of threads under the impression that they would be lost forever. And also started deleting as many members as he could. And he's doing all this, not knowing that I kept daily backups of everything. So I restored the most recent backup. Sigma comes on RDFRN before I restore it though, makes an account of a person pretending to be him and then claims his account got hacked with his original account.

I verify his old account with his email and keep him modded, believing him. He does it all again. And again before I finally learn the truth that Sigma really was doing all this. Later, I find out Rocklin was helping him all along as well. Planning this thing out. I don't know how long he was though. Something tells me almost ever since RDFRN was created.

And so, after all that, I finally decide to close down the site and post http://www.rdfrn.com/showthread.php?456-Nothing-Will-Change/ in explanation. (Site is down for good now as well. Idio had his PI exposed by this wonderful community and he got scared.) I do have the thread saved though. This is what I posted in the OP:

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I've been thinking about things very long and hard these past couple days and I've finally decided what needs to be done. The truth, guys, is...

I'm done... If you guys are really going to back up someone who has just went behind my back to create chaos, delete massive amounts of content people have made, and let sick CP porn be posted "for the lulz..." I'm just done. I'm done explaining... I'm done being continually hated on by most EVERYONE for trying to fix things... Wanting to trust people to have a little bit of courtesy. I'm done with the immaturity... I'm done with people trying to look kewl...

I'm not gonna be your guys' whipping boy nor am I going to host RDFRN's "garbage bin" anymore. You guys can have the members and the kidiots now...

And none of the threads or the posts or the software. That all stays with me. I'm keeping what little I have to salvage from all this to myself. I'm also keeping the domain and will renew it regularly. You guys want me out, you got it. But you're not getting any of my hard work or the hard work other members have put into this site. There does indeed seem to be some good people left here and if I knew absolutely that some of you wouldn't give out the database to the other douchebags, I would give it to you as a parting farewell. But I don't know. And it's incredibly apparent now that I can't trust anyone anymore around here.

The time and money I devoted to all of you... I did my best but it just doesn't seem to ever be enough...

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A long time ago, I used to call a lot of you guys friends... Now... What do we all have now? Nothing but hate, idiocy, and rot all around. No patience... No tolerance... Just stupid immature drama and petty games worthy of high school. Oh, and child porn. But hey, that stuff brings the lulz, right guise?

After thinking about all this for a while, it suddenly became clear to me that Sanctuary cannot grow with this core of members. There's too many terrible members in it from both the Zoklet and totse2 past communities. Too many people who want things their way. Too many people who just won't let things go and post. If Sanctuary had much more members and a steady influx, this wouldn't have mattered nearly as much. But starting out with this... Maybe I could have gotten it to all work somehow but I think it's too late anyway. It looks like I need to cut all my losses and make a clean break with this past.

Sanctuary is not dead. But it will be moving away completely and permanently. I will be shutting it down and most likely moving to another undisclosed domain. It may be a long while before I start the site back up again but if I do, I don't really plan to have any members from RDFRN or past Sanctuary on it. I will be scouting around for a while, looking in many different places. Looking for quality members and gathering them together for a new project of sorts. I already have a few in mind. Then launching the site again once I feel we have enough people to start. Away from all... This.

And now, this is where we part ways. To all who truly wished Sanctuary to continue and/or the real quality members, I'm sorry. I just can't do it anymore though.

The rest of you guys can screenshot this for your history books and post it in another quality thread. "arcox ragequits SO MAD LOL"

Which finally brings us to where we are now. During most all of this, I was posting on the Escapist as well. That's where you guys know me. And that's where the story is now. The end of the Escapist and the restart of Sanctuary for you all.

If you're gonna take away anything from this long-ass post, it would be to not forget the true ideals of TOTSE. To free your mind and not let yourself get bogged down in pointless infantile drama. That is what I hope to bring back, and that is what Sanctuary is about. Freedom of speech and freedom of information.

gay.

that totse summation was vague and barely encompassed the culture

and dick burnish never released his info...he threatened to.  the little faggot was scurrying around on niggersin.space for awhile then someone finally ran him off

Offline Arnox

Re: It's Time To Talk About Sanctuary's Origins
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2018, 05:49:36 PM »
When I read this, I kept a degree of disattachment, since it was only one side of the story.

I feel like IS's posts have made the other side of the story clear enough.

Hey, don't take my word for it.

niggasin.space

and dick burnish never released his info...he threatened to.  the little faggot was scurrying around on niggersin.space for awhile then someone finally ran him off

Definitely sounded like it got exposed already through a music player embed or something. But then I wasn't there, so I don't know.
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