NN-DMT - How to Quickly Manufacture and Safely Handle Mental TNT

[Arnox]

N,N-dimethyltryptamine (AKA DMT, Spice) is a well-known psychedelic tryptamine alongside psilocybin (mushrooms) that, while used since ancient times in ayahuasca, was formally and scientifically recognized for its psychedelic effects in 1956 by Stephen Szara. The best way to get it pure by far seems to be the dried root bark of Mimosa tenuiflora (AKA Mimosa hostilis, Jurema), but Psychotria viridis (AKA Chacruna) also seems to have an awful lot of it and may be a little cheaper. Prices for both Mimosa and Psychotria should be about 6-7 grams for $1 at the time of this writing.

But none of that answers why you should give a fuck about this drug in particular. And you know what, at first, I really didn't pay much mind to this psychedelic at all. I had eyes pretty much only for LSD and mushrooms. And while those are indeed absolutely fantastic psychedelics that overlap a lot with DMT, they do have some fairly large downsides that DMT just doesn't have. DMT is:

- Comparatively easy to make, and especially so with the recipe I will share below in a bit
- Doesn't last long at all in real time, but completely makes up for it in massive time dilation effects
- Probably the best psychedelic out there for majorly speeding up neurogenesis and general neural enhancements and healing
- If you want to become someone else entirely for good, there are few better candidates for that than DMT
- Brings about the most powerful visual hallucinations of the psychedelics out there
- Developing a tolerance to DMT is virtually impossible
- No possible lasting physical side effects and no physical dependence
- DMT, and its parent product, Mimosa root bark, lasts for a very long time in storage
- The root bark is fully legal to buy and own

WARNING

BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, IT SHOULD BE KEPT IN MIND THAT AS GOOD AS DMT MIGHT BE AS A PSYCHEDELIC, IT IS DEFINITELY NOT A DRUG WITHOUT ANY RISK AT ALL. LIKE FIREARMS OR EXPLOSIVES, IT NEEDS TO BE HEAVILY RESPECTED. IF YOU JUST WANT A DRUG TO ENHANCE YOUR EXPERIENCES, USE MARIJUANA. SKIP DMT ENTIRELY.

DO NOT USE DMT IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY TAKING A MONOAMINE OXIDASE INHIBITER (MAOI) MEDICATION. WHILE THE RECIPE FOR DMT THAT I WILL SUGGEST BELOW MAY ACTUALLY NOT HAVE ANY ACTING MAOI, PRETTY MUCH ANY OTHER RECIPE FOR DMT WILL. IT'S BETTER TO JUST NOT RISK IT. MAOI'S WILL EMPOWER AND PROLONG THE EFFECT OF MANY DRUGS, INCLUDING DMT, AND DMT IS ALREADY POTENT ENOUGH.

MAOI'S ARE ACTIVE ANYWHERE FROM SEVERAL DAYS TO SEVERAL WEEKS. THE FOLLOWING CAN CAUSE DANGEROUS BLOOD PRESSURE DROPS OR RISES.

Spoiler: Potentially Dangerous Chemicals

SEDATIVES
TRANQUILIZERS
ANTIHISTAMINES
NARCOTICS
ALCOHOL
ANY AMPHETAMINES
MESCALINE
ASARONE
NUTMEG (ACTIVE DOSES)
MACROMERINE
EPHEDRINE
OILS OF DILL
PARSLEY
WILD FENNEL
BEER
WINE
COCOA
AGED CHEESE
TYROSINE-CONTAINING FOODS

LIKE MOST PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS, THOSE WHO HAVE A HISTORY OF SCHIZOPHRENIA IN THEIR FAMILY SHOULDN'T RISK DOING DMT AS ANY PSYCHEDELICS AT ALL COULD ACTIVATE THE DISORDER. AND LASTLY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED MAJOR TRAUMA THAT HAS GONE UNRESOLVED MAY EXPERIENCE OLD WOUNDS GETTING STRAIGHT UP RIPPED BACK OPEN, METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, DURING A "BAD TRIP". IT COULD EASILY WORSEN PTSD SYMPTOMS. IT IS TRUE THOUGH THAT MANY HAVE ALSO CLAIMED THAT PSYCHEDELICS, INCLUDING DMT, HELPED THEM RESOLVE THEIR TRAUMA EXTREMELY EFFECTIVELY. YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY. GREATLY.

Ok then... With all that said, let's finally get into this drug.

When talking about the DMT experience as a whole, it's been stated by others about psychedelics, and is generally my opinion also, that they give you the experience you need, not necessarily the one that you want. And it's gonna be very blunt about it, one way or the other. You'll have to accept that going into this. What I think though from my research is that the people who do get bad trips seem to also have a very major character flaw or several of some kind that they need to work on such as being excessively greedy or unsympathetic towards others. That or, as previously stated in the massive warning I wrote, they have some unresolved major trauma.

Beyond the possible negatives, one should also keep in mind that DMT experiences are very rarely non-impactful experiences. In fact, it can easily change you for the rest of your life. I read one alleged story of a microbiologist about ready to get her Ph.D., and in an effort to do something about her constant stress, she tried DMT. But the experience changed her so much that she dropped out of college entirely and started going to music festivals. While she reportedly said that she was very happy she did the drug and loves who she is now, she, of course, still became someone else. Make of that what you will.

So, with that then, how should we prep for the experience? Well, first, we must remember the usual rules for all psychedelics, which would be "set (that is, mindset) and setting." The better the setting and better your mindset will give you more probabity of a good trip and will help you let go more, but it's also very natural to feel nervous about DMT, and that's alright too. It also really helps to have a firm intention in mind for what you would like to get out of this trip before you partake. And make sure that you're sitting or laying down when you're doing DMT. It's generally not advisable to have a sudden collapse onto the floor.

Another thing is to ask yourself whether you want a trip-sitter or not. A DMT trip is a very personal experience and even trying to describe it afterwards can be difficult if not impossible. On the other hand though, it's very good to have someone near you and watching you in case something goes wrong. I'd advise having a trip-sitter for your first breakthrough (described below) at least, and then, once you're comfortable with that, doing it solo.

And with that, we should do a quick sanity check with our doses. Citing the Psychonauts wiki article on DMT, the dosage thresholds will be listed below. Be adivsed that these are just somewhat rough numbers. You may need more or less dosage to reach the same potency.

ALWAYS START VERY SMALL FOR YOUR FIRST TIME WITH ANY DRUG AND WORK YOUR WAY UP FROM THERE. YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE MORE BUT YOU CANNOT SUBTRACT WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN.

Lower Threshold: 2 mg
Light: 10 - 20 mg
Common: 20 - 40 mg
Strong: 40 - 60 mg
Heavy: 60+ mg

At about 20 mg, you generally should feel like you're being pulled into the air/through the ground/through a tunnel into a geometric space of some sort. But even with this, you probably won't have what's called a "breakthrough" experience. A breakthrough is when you enter into a, for lack of a better word, dimension called "hyperspace", and this is where the real shit really happens. Otherwise, you're just gonna be sitting in a psychedelic "waiting room" with nothing otherwise happening for the duration of your high. You'll probably have to go up to 30 mg to get that breakthrough. Also, at about 20 mg and up, your body should be pretty paralyzed by this point during the major visual hallucinations.

All highs should last about 5-15 minutes in real time, though that is for smoking DMT, and ingesting DMT orally will probably give a more prolonged effect. Your tolerance for smoked DMT will last for about an hour and then should disappear completely. DMT taken orally may take longer to have the tolerance reset.

A common experience with DMT is the sensation of feeling like your consciousness is getting pulled from your body or has been pulled from your body. This is completely normal, and no, YOU ARE DEFINTELY NOT GOING TO DIE even though it may definitely feel like it. Don't worry.

After you've taken DMT, you're at the last phase of it now which is known as "integration", where you ponder what you've experienced and possibly learned. Many people say it's best to immediately write down the details of your experience right after you return to normal. Details about your DMT experiences have a tendency to be lost quickly in your memory, much like a powerful dream.

Ok then, so... How do we make DMT for ourselves?

Spoiler: Found DMT Recipe

This was originally first published on a network newsletter called Entheogen Review but was later reposted onto erowid.org where I found it. KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS RECIPE IS NOT YET TESTED BY ME. Nevertheless, I think I do trust the source, so I'm going to repost it here for archival.

Mimosa Active Without MAOI?
by various authors
Vernal Equinox 1999
Excerpted from Entheogen Review, Network Feedback

[One of the ENTHEOBOTANY instructors] at the seminar in Uxmál said that Mimosa [tenuiflora] could be used in a quick, cold water extraction. 15 minutes?! My two experiments were not successful. Maybe my Peganum harmala extract wasn't sufficient. In any case, I would like to know more about this as a possible reliable ayahuasca method. -- T.C., OR

We had heard through the grapevine that JONATHAN OTT announced at the PSYCHOACTIVITY conference in Amsterdam last year that Mimosa tenuiflora root-bark was active by itself at the 35 gm dose. In a letter regarding this, Mr. OTT confirmed what he stated above about this, noting that M. tenuiflora:

...is indeed active neat, with no cooking nor additives, simply by hand-squeezing briefly the pounded root-bark in water--25 g twice infused for less than an hour and minimally squeezed in 125 ml cold, neutral water each time was quite distinctly visionary and pharmahuasca-DMT-like, albeit with a slightly accelerated pharmacodynamic all-'round, which militates in favor of the directly-orally-active DMT-adduct-theory, as opposed to some endo-MAOI from same (OTT 1999).

Without knowing any more details (such as amount of the Mimosa tenuiflora used, whether or not is was root-bark or stem bark, potency of whatever plant-part was used, exact length of infusion, etc.), it is hard to say what went wrong with the two experiments performed by T.C., OR. What is clear is that the case has been made by Mr. OTT that T.C., OR needn't have used any Peganum harmala extract at all, in order to experience effects. Though we doubted not Mr. OTT'S claims, it seemed only reasonable to get a second opinion. DAVID AARDVARK stepped forth for the bioassay:

25 grams of Mimosa tenuiflora root-bark was powdered in a coffee bean grinder. The fine dust that wafted upwards when the lid was removed smelled quite strongly of DMT. (Indeed, if one burns a piece of M. tenuiflora root-bark, one can also notice the pungent odor of burning DMT.) The root-bark powder was placed into a tupperware container with 125 ml of cold tap water, shaken, and left to sit for an hour. It was then strained through a "French press" coffee filter, and soaked a second time in a fresh 125 ml of water for another hour. This was strained and the two extracts were combined and drunk. The taste was quite bitter and astringent, but didn't evoke a gag response until the final few swallows (which had a bit of fine particulate matter in them, like the last sips of Greek-style coffee might). I later learned that it was apparently traditional to add honey to this infusion, to cut the astringent bitterness (GONÇALVES DE LIMA 1946¹). There was some very mild stomach upset at the onset, but no real nausea to speak of at all, and no diarrhea. I was amazed that I started to feel the first effects in about 15 minutes after consumption. These built up over the next 20 minutes or so to a solid "plus 2" on the SHULGIN scale. The effects were indistinguishable from smoked DMT.

I felt as though I had smoked about 25-30 mg, the only difference being the more gradual onset, and the longer duration. After hitting the peak, there was a fairly rapid decline to near baseline. This all within one hour. I was surprised to find myself almost sober for about 5-10 minutes (I could have easily driven a car), and then I started going up again! I peaked a second time, equally as high, but for perhaps a slightly shorter period of time, and came back down. Again 5-10 minutes passed where I felt almost totally sober, and again I started going up for a third time. This third peak was not as high, and did not last as long. The trip was completely over within two hours, and I felt a pleasant afterglow. I was (and am) amazed by the whole experience, and eager to try this again at a higher dose. (I'm tempted to double the dose, but will probably step up more slowly, in 10 gram increments.) There was virtually no "body load," and the whole experience was quite pleasant. I am at a loss to explain the wavelike nature of the experience with the three peaks and returns. I'd also be quite interested to know how much DMT is left in the marc from this experiment, and if this root-bark might be used a second time if it were cooked in acidified water and taken with a MAOI? More experiments are obviously needed, and I encourage ER readers to see for themselves that this astonishingly simple preparation can produce an effective, enjoyable, and brief entheogenic voyage.

¹ Observações sobre o "vinho da Jurema" utilizado pelos índios Pancarú de Tacaratú (Pernambuco), by Lima, Osvaldo Gonçalves de, 1946

(So remember, 1 g of bark and 10 mL of water for 1 mg of DMT. Or one and ten for one. At least if this article is to be believed.)

All in all, my lasting opinion of DMT is all in the title for this thread. Concluding all my study into this drug, I consider it to be a psychological high explosive. It can be be used to destroy questions, doubts, depression, cynicism, and remove any deep-seated mental blockers that are keeping you from being your best self. HOWEVER... It can also blast apart your worldviews, tear open emotional wounds, expose all your hidden inner nastiness to yourself, and throw you back into some extemely uncomfortable places.

Treat with caution and use only as needed.

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EDIT: A possible explanation for the above recipe working the way it does was apparently answered in the same article I pulled the recipe from, and I didn't even realize it. I apologize for this discrepancy. Basically, the TL;DR of it is that some components in the root bark may already have an MAOI in them, or at least, sufficient MAOI-like properties to activate the DMT upon consumption. Two respected figures in the psychedelics scene have sworn by the verity of this claim, so it's all but confirmed regardless of the fact that, though we don't know why exactly, this recipe does indeed work. The rest of the article has been copypasta'd below for those who'd like to read the full discourse on this.

Spoiler: Article Text

Jonathan Ott seems to think that Mimosa hostilis is active without MAOI added. The ingredient, kokusaginine, which is morphine-like in structure, may possess MAOI properties such as the other well-known MAOI morphine-like compound, moclobemide, does. I would suggest that the kokusaginine, supposedly insoluble in water, is nonetheless extracted enough-especially with heat-to allow for sufficient MAOI effect. However, if M. hostilis is taken whole, the quantity of kokusaginine causes excess MAOI effects coupled with morphine-like effects, producing the reputed bad effects.

One could make a fat extraction and if the Mimosa hostilis aqueous extraction then proved inactive, this would imply that the kokusaginine is the contributing MAOI factor. Does anyone know, for certain, what the effects of kokusaginine are? Those who are chemistry smart might check this out. - J.S., OR

I have only heard of kokusaginine reported from the Rutaceae. I know nothing about its activity except for the fact a related compound was reported to be antagonistic to Ditran. I would like to hear more on all of this. I suspect tannins are what cause people problems when they ingest the actual powdered bark. (Perhaps worth noting, I've heard one report that someone ended up in an emergency room from ingesting powdered Mimosa tenuiflora root-bark directly.) "Morphine-like," I love that phrase-what does it mean though? Mescaline is sometimes defined as being morphine-like because of the similarity of the subjects to an observer. I suspect this is in reference to its action in your usage. I did notice a very strong stuporous component with one bioassay of M. tenuiflora root-bark and a MAOI, that I did not in the others. JONATHAN would be the best one to talk with about this. - K. TROUT

We asked Mr. OTT what his thoughts on this matter were, and he responded:

It isn't so much that I "seem to think that Mimosa [tenuiflora (Willd.) Poir. = M.] hostilis [(Mart.) Benth.-let's get this taxonomic orthography straight for good and all] is active without MAOI added," but rather that I know this, having felt it in my own body in the only valid scientific analysis I know: the psychonautic bioassay. This ought not be surprising, and I have always known in my bones it were so-all the scant ethnographic evidence is entirely consistent with this, and there is absolutely no evidence for some lost or missing ingredient, all the sterile and uninformed scientific speculation in this regard notwithstanding. I've no idea whence derives the querist's notion that kokusaginine occurs in M. tenuiflora, and I am in agreement with K. Trout's remark in this regard, while it is a mystery to me why it would be assumed this compound possesses MAOI activity, nor indeed how this compound-or moclobemide, with which it is structurally unrelated- is "morphine-like," none of which has anything to do with the recondite pharmacology of jurema preta/ tepescohuite, in any case.

Perhaps there is some confusion here between the rutaceous kokusaginine [found in New Caledonian Dutaillyea spp., among others] and the socalled "kukulkanins" reported from powdered stem-bark of Mexican tepescohuite [misreported as Mimosa tenuefolia L. (sic): Journal of Natural Products 52(4): 864- 867, 1989], also of obscure pharmacology. There is no reason to suppose this compound or any of the diverse saponins likewise reported from bark of Mexican tepescohuite [Phytochemistry 30(7): 2357-2360, 1991; JNP 54(5): 1247-1253, 1991; Journal of Ethnopharmacology 38(2,3): 153-157, 1993] show MAOI activity, and at least five phytochemical analyses of Brazilian jurema preta [mostly unpublished] have failed to show presence of ßcarbolines nor any other category of potent MAO. Moreover, pharmacologically and pharmacodynamically, the psychoptic effects of cold-water, hand squeezed and short-time-infused, aqueous extracts of simple pounded jurema preta root-bark prepared according to the traditional manner as documented in several Brazilian reports, bears no relation to the-to me-well-known pharmacology of the ß-carbolines and other MAOI, such as the artificial isocarboxazid and moclobemide, and others.

Preliminary chemical evidence reveals rather the presence of several novel and yet-unidentified DMTadducts in jurema preta root-bark, apart from free DMT itself. Either these compounds show oral activity per se, not being substrate to gastric MAO, or rather show a higher affinity for the enzyme(s), serving thus as competitive inhibitors respective to DMT for its active site{s), in the manner that the ß-carbolines do. My current work strongly suggests the former conjecture is the more parsimonious.

Remember, the simple, short-acting tryptamines are themselves MAOI, albeit far weaker than harmine and harmaline in this regard. The reported enhancements of psilocybian effects by concomitant administration of ß-carbolines suggests that even psilocine, with its dramatic oral activity, is a significant substrate for gastric MAO, as this synergy, if it is borne out scientifically, yet to be done, would almost certainly be due to inhibition of gastric MAO, as all evidence suggests that in the brain, the MAOI [at least in the case of ß-carbolines, probably via a general inhibitory effect at the GABAA receptor combined with competitive inhibition of tryptamine-binding at 5-HT receptor subtypes]; including the artificial, medicinal agents like iproniazid, etc., markedly inhibits effects of DMT and its cogeners, not to mention LSD [vide my article in MAPS VI(3): 32-35, 1996 for references and the new edition of Ayahuasca Analogues for a discussion of this phenomenon; vide item: The Heffter Review 1: 65-77, 1998; recall also that cerebral MAO is found inside nerve-terminals, not in synapses].

Finally, why this undue and exaggerated emphasis on the ayahuasca effect in attempting to rationalize the pharmacology of jurema preta? I can assure you--but will say no more at this time, pending resolution of yet-outstanding mysteries--that the psychoptic pharmacology of the tryptamines neither begins nor ends with the hallowed ayahuasca effect, exploration of which constitutes only scratching the surface of a broad and intricate, far-ranging topic, rife with scientific, commercial and political significance which has yet to dawn on psychonauts, much less ayahuasqueros, governmental sanatory authorities or pharmaceutical-corporation scientists. -- JONATHAN OTT, México

 

[Signa]

Sweet, I'm trying this as soon as my credit card comes in.

 

[Arnox]

Sweet, I'm trying this as soon as my credit card comes in.

I have a bad feeling that the recipe I gave is a complete sham and will definitely need some kind of MAOI to activate. I really, really hope not though because, if true, this recipe could save someone HOURS when making this shit. Regardless, someone definitely needs to test it.

 

[Houseman]

All in all, my lasting opinion of DMT is all in the title for this thread.

The title?
"NN-DMT - How to Quickly Manufacture and Safely Handle Mental TNT"

That's your opinion?

 

[gaijinkaiju]

Regardless, someone definitely needs to test it.

Put your money where your mouth is then. Test it yourself.

 

[Gauche]

YOU ARE DEFINTELY NOT GOING TO DIE

Fucken liar

 

[Battousai]

use only as needed.

No.

 

[Arnox]

The title?
"NN-DMT - How to Quickly Manufacture and Safely Handle Mental TNT"

That's your opinion?

That it's practically mental TNT, yeah. lol

Put your money where your mouth is then. Test it yourself.

I intend to, actually. Already made a huge purchase recently though so I have to wait. Also, some big server bills are coming up. Someone has to pay for you jerks being here. XD

 

[Arnox]

EDIT: A possible explanation for the above recipe working the way it does was apparently already answered in the same article I pulled the recipe from, and I didn't even realize it. I apologize for this discrepancy.

Basically, the TL;DR of it is that some components in the root bark may already have an MAOI in them, or at least, sufficient MAOI-like properties to activate the DMT upon consumption. Two respected figures in the psychedelics scene have sworn by the verity of this claim, so it's all but confirmed regardless of the fact that, though we don't know why exactly, this recipe does indeed work. The rest of the article has been copypasta'd into the OP.

Assuming then that the recipe is legitimate, this is big. Very big... In fact, so big that it may have very bad consequences. I'm assuming that the root bark is only legal to buy and sell because it was assumed that there was at least SOME extensive work needed to extract the DMT from it and make it able to be properly taken in by the body, but this recipe basically shuts that down completely. If dumbass lawmakers get wind of this, they may ban sales of the root bark completely, and then we're all up shit creek again due to lingering prohibitionist attitudes.

 

[Houseman]

That it's practically mental TNT, yeah. lol

Oh, I thought "Mental TNT" was like, the scientific term or something. I had a brain fart, forgive me

 

[peskybear]

Lol SWIM used to use that root bark powder to extract the deems back in the day when bouncing bear botanicals was still in their pre-raid era. She said the process was relatively simple, but there are certain things you need which may or may not be easy to get depending on where you live. The result was pretty neat though. Smoking it can be a very powerful, fun time if you're already used to the psychadelic experience. It also only lasts 10-15 mins since the body begins processing it out pretty readily.

Steeping the stuff in water sounds like a way more accessible option though. DMT does tend to last longer when taken orally with MAOIs, so it would be interesting to compare it to the intensity/longevity of ayahuasca or iboga.

 

[Arnox]

Lol SWIM used to use that root bark powder to extract the deems back in the day when bouncing bear botanicals was still in their pre-raid era. She said the process was relatively simple, but there are certain things you need which may or may not be easy to get depending on where you live. The result was pretty neat though. Smoking it can be a very powerful, fun time if you're already used to the psychadelic experience. It also only lasts 10-15 mins since the body begins processing it out pretty readily.

Steeping the stuff in water sounds like a way more accessible option though. DMT does tend to last longer when taken orally with MAOIs, so it would be interesting to compare it to the intensity/longevity of ayahuasca or iboga.

As was recently posted, it is believed by experts that the root bark contains an MAOI or an MAOI-like component already, hence why the plain water extraction works as good as it seems to. So the recipe given above is basically a very, very easy to make ayahuasca that, surprisingly, works very well, even when compared to the usual alternatives.

Perhaps the only issue with it is that if you did want a short compressed trip, you won't get it with this.