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I decided to condense everything else together into this thread so I don't spam the DMT guide thread or the forums. My personal trip reports on DMT will also go here. First though, my thoughts so far. Also, keep in mind that the DMT I'm taking, though it says it's a liquid, is NOT ayahuasca. Or at least, not what people would normally call ayahuasca. See the recipe in the guide for more details on what this is exactly, but the TL;DR is that it's just DMT extracted from MHRB powder via hot water and strained with a coffee filter.
Thoughts:
A common thing I keep seeing in other people's trip reports is what I call, the "DMT psyche-out". They get their minds blown away and then they think they understand everything there ever is and ever was. Maybe... Or maybe we're all vastly underestimating the capabilities of our minds in terms of what it can imagine and show us. Not that I don't believe people aren't seeing actual spiritual entities at times. I'm sure they definitely are. But in a way, that's even more dangerous than just our minds lying to us. The tripper will also report supposed truths that seem like huge insights, but practically speaking, are just useless. Maybe worse than useless since they can sometimes be demoralizing.
The trips also seem to HEAVILY encourage the Buddhist thought that not thinking or feeling or desiring is the ideal. I still say this is absolute fucking nonsense. Apathy is death. True life is about an eternal forward motion. A constant progression of knowledge and power and love. (This is something the LDS religion actually got very right I think.) Granted, I don't know everything of course, and I have yet to trip that hard, but I've also given this sort of thing much more thought than most.
Coming back to spiritual entities, some of these have to be spiritual parasites. They seem to dangle trinkets of utterly consuming happiness and pleasure, and when they do so, the tripper becomes much more pliable and suggestible. Not to say that the tripper would do absolutely ANYTHING they are told of course, but the deceptions can be quite strong regardless. When the tripper comes back with questions or doubt to the entities, they become angry and indignant. With that said though, resisting pain is one thing, but resisting pure pleasure and happiness? Very fucking hard to do, so in that regard, I absolutely understand the powerful, almost irresistible desire to submit to such urges and I am definitely sympathetic.
Resisting pain is one thing and building discipline against it requires a certain set of practices and skills. But resisting pleasure and desire is something else entirely and requires a completely different set of practices and skills. Hell, even though I've prepared against that somewhat, even I don't know how well I could really resist that amount of pleasure and desire.
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It is a theory of mine that the crazy things DMT trippers see is basically the spiritual mind trying to make sense of the dimension that it's in. In the process, it puts things into symbols that we can understand, at very least, at the surface level. For example, there may not ACTUALLY be machine elves in these dimensions described, but the mind doesn't really have a good way to visualize the actual entities in question, so... Machine elves it is.
In summary, the dimension and the mind work together hand in hand to bring about what you're actually seeing. It is half actual truth and half your-mind-making-shit-up.
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My Personal Trip Reports
Thoughts:
A common thing I keep seeing in other people's trip reports is what I call, the "DMT psyche-out". They get their minds blown away and then they think they understand everything there ever is and ever was. Maybe... Or maybe we're all vastly underestimating the capabilities of our minds in terms of what it can imagine and show us. Not that I don't believe people aren't seeing actual spiritual entities at times. I'm sure they definitely are. But in a way, that's even more dangerous than just our minds lying to us. The tripper will also report supposed truths that seem like huge insights, but practically speaking, are just useless. Maybe worse than useless since they can sometimes be demoralizing.
The trips also seem to HEAVILY encourage the Buddhist thought that not thinking or feeling or desiring is the ideal. I still say this is absolute fucking nonsense. Apathy is death. True life is about an eternal forward motion. A constant progression of knowledge and power and love. (This is something the LDS religion actually got very right I think.) Granted, I don't know everything of course, and I have yet to trip that hard, but I've also given this sort of thing much more thought than most.
Coming back to spiritual entities, some of these have to be spiritual parasites. They seem to dangle trinkets of utterly consuming happiness and pleasure, and when they do so, the tripper becomes much more pliable and suggestible. Not to say that the tripper would do absolutely ANYTHING they are told of course, but the deceptions can be quite strong regardless. When the tripper comes back with questions or doubt to the entities, they become angry and indignant. With that said though, resisting pain is one thing, but resisting pure pleasure and happiness? Very fucking hard to do, so in that regard, I absolutely understand the powerful, almost irresistible desire to submit to such urges and I am definitely sympathetic.
Resisting pain is one thing and building discipline against it requires a certain set of practices and skills. But resisting pleasure and desire is something else entirely and requires a completely different set of practices and skills. Hell, even though I've prepared against that somewhat, even I don't know how well I could really resist that amount of pleasure and desire.
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It is a theory of mine that the crazy things DMT trippers see is basically the spiritual mind trying to make sense of the dimension that it's in. In the process, it puts things into symbols that we can understand, at very least, at the surface level. For example, there may not ACTUALLY be machine elves in these dimensions described, but the mind doesn't really have a good way to visualize the actual entities in question, so... Machine elves it is.
In summary, the dimension and the mind work together hand in hand to bring about what you're actually seeing. It is half actual truth and half your-mind-making-shit-up.
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(THIS SPACE LEFT OPEN FOR OTHER THOUGHTS IN THE FUTURE)
My Personal Trip Reports
Starting off very light. I predicted initially that this dose won't have me feel or see much, if anything at all. Before the dose, I had a slice of pizza. Didn't know if that was the smartest thing, but I needed to really stress-test this method of taking DMT and seeing what its limits were. I gotta tell you guys though, they weren't lying about taking honey with it, because drinking the liquid is literally like drinking a carpet. 0/10. Very bitter and slightly grainy. Just choke it down as fast as possible and chase it with something sweet.
Damn. The things I do for answers...
About a couple minutes in, I get a gentle wave of nausea. But a wave of nausea is a wave of nausea regardless, and nausea sucks. This all goes away after about a minute though, thankfully. But there's more to the feeling than that.
Thinking back, the best way to fully and accurately describe it, I think, is like if my body and mind was a chain-bound rocket starting up and trying to take off, but the power behind the boost was definitely too little at that moment, and so, it went upwards just a bit and stopped there, struggling weakly against the chains of my ego and sanity. Chains that you'd definitely want there normally, but with DMT, suddenly become a liability, creating a mental tension and somewhat animalistic panic inside you.
I pushed through that though and things quickly settled down again. Honestly, not much to report after that. Felt a bit relaxed actually. Bit of pressure of both sides of my head but no pain at all. Felt a bit of focus along with the relaxation. Almost like my brain was just on the edge of visual and/or auditory hallucinations, but never actually having them at all.
With my next trip, I'll increase the dosage to 100 mL (~17 mg DMT). Excited but, naturally, also kinda nervous.
Damn. The things I do for answers...
About a couple minutes in, I get a gentle wave of nausea. But a wave of nausea is a wave of nausea regardless, and nausea sucks. This all goes away after about a minute though, thankfully. But there's more to the feeling than that.
Thinking back, the best way to fully and accurately describe it, I think, is like if my body and mind was a chain-bound rocket starting up and trying to take off, but the power behind the boost was definitely too little at that moment, and so, it went upwards just a bit and stopped there, struggling weakly against the chains of my ego and sanity. Chains that you'd definitely want there normally, but with DMT, suddenly become a liability, creating a mental tension and somewhat animalistic panic inside you.
I pushed through that though and things quickly settled down again. Honestly, not much to report after that. Felt a bit relaxed actually. Bit of pressure of both sides of my head but no pain at all. Felt a bit of focus along with the relaxation. Almost like my brain was just on the edge of visual and/or auditory hallucinations, but never actually having them at all.
With my next trip, I'll increase the dosage to 100 mL (~17 mg DMT). Excited but, naturally, also kinda nervous.
I'll start off by, once again, taking ~50 mL of the liquid just as a quick dose to test things out and make sure nothing's wrong or out of expected yields, then move up to 100 mL. My trip report for the ~50 mL of liquid is below. (Though I'm very sure I won't be tripping whatsoever at such a low dose.)
T=00h:00m - Just took the DMT. Had to chase it with extra raw honey just to counterbalance that fucking nasty bitter taste even though I added honey to the dose beforehand this time.
T=00h:08m - Nausea hitting.
T=00h:10m - Nausea starting to disappear.
T=00h:12m - Nausea almost gone.
T=00h:18m - Nausea hitting again, probably because I accidentally took some minutes between doses.
T=00h:22m - Nausea disappearing again, hopefully for good now.
T=00h:27m - Only light nausea now, but still, nothing, mentally speaking, is happening.
T=00h:35m - Nausea starting up yet again.
T=00h:40m - Nausea disappearing again. A bit of fatigue though that may be due to all the nausea. Still no mental effects.
T=00h:50m - Nausea back once more. When will this shit end???
T=00h:55m - Nausea disappearing some but now my stomach is giving a bit of upset. Going to lie down.
T=01h:10m - Nausea finally mostly gone. Lying down helped as well. Still no mental effects whatsoever. My mood is lifted back up as well.
T=01h:15m - Mood still lifted. I wonder if the DMT is having a slight euphoric effect.
T=01h:25m - Still very slightly nauseous but I think this is finally coming to a close now. Signing off.
I wonder if I got such a strong nauseous reaction this time because I didn't eat much at all before hand. Just some cereal, like, an hour or two before I took the dose, so my stomach was mostly empty. I thought it might be better this time to not have any food due to the past short period of nausea I had. Guess I was dead wrong. Ah well.
Another thing to note is that, some 5 or so hours after the dose, I started to feel a longer-term effect... I am slightly happier. Slightly more confident. Slightly more curious. Slightly more connected with life. To emphasize, this is not much of an increase at all, but it's still promising to feel such nice results at such a low dose.
T=00h:00m - Just took the DMT. Had to chase it with extra raw honey just to counterbalance that fucking nasty bitter taste even though I added honey to the dose beforehand this time.
T=00h:08m - Nausea hitting.
T=00h:10m - Nausea starting to disappear.
T=00h:12m - Nausea almost gone.
T=00h:18m - Nausea hitting again, probably because I accidentally took some minutes between doses.
T=00h:22m - Nausea disappearing again, hopefully for good now.
T=00h:27m - Only light nausea now, but still, nothing, mentally speaking, is happening.
T=00h:35m - Nausea starting up yet again.
T=00h:40m - Nausea disappearing again. A bit of fatigue though that may be due to all the nausea. Still no mental effects.
T=00h:50m - Nausea back once more. When will this shit end???
T=00h:55m - Nausea disappearing some but now my stomach is giving a bit of upset. Going to lie down.
T=01h:10m - Nausea finally mostly gone. Lying down helped as well. Still no mental effects whatsoever. My mood is lifted back up as well.
T=01h:15m - Mood still lifted. I wonder if the DMT is having a slight euphoric effect.
T=01h:25m - Still very slightly nauseous but I think this is finally coming to a close now. Signing off.
I wonder if I got such a strong nauseous reaction this time because I didn't eat much at all before hand. Just some cereal, like, an hour or two before I took the dose, so my stomach was mostly empty. I thought it might be better this time to not have any food due to the past short period of nausea I had. Guess I was dead wrong. Ah well.
Another thing to note is that, some 5 or so hours after the dose, I started to feel a longer-term effect... I am slightly happier. Slightly more confident. Slightly more curious. Slightly more connected with life. To emphasize, this is not much of an increase at all, but it's still promising to feel such nice results at such a low dose.
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