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Tulpas - Controlled Multiple Personalities

Arnox

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I've been rolling this topic over in my mind as an idea for a thread for a while now, but this topic doesn't exactly make for light reading/writing. There's lots of information, perspectives, history, and techniques to sort through when it comes to tulpas. Lucky for you though, I'm gonna sift through it all for you. Because I'm great like that. So first, as with all good research topics, we start with a definition. We'll talk about what a tulpa is and why we should care.

A tulpa is basically a being/entity that is created in one's mind through sheer tenacity of thought and force of will. These beings can have any personality we can imagine along with any form we can imagine. If they even have a form at all. There have been tulpas created that almost perfectly resemble another human being all the way to tulpas that resemble a non-sentient computer terminal. The possibilities are, needless to say, massive here. And believe it or not, if you've seen Inception, you've actually "seen" a tulpa before.



Although I should say, Mal is a bit of an extreme example due solely to her rampancy. It's very much implied that Cobb does not actually want to stop her until the end though, so even then, it makes sense that she would be like that. A much more laid back and friendly example would probably be Hobbes though, if you'd like another.

The earliest mention of such things in history actually go back to ancient Buddhist texts. They believed that the tulpa was more of a spiritual thing than a purely mental thing. After this though, they didn't reemerge into popular thinking until 2009 with the rise of My Little Pony. ( :frown: ) Putting all that aside, to this day, there are debates as to what EXACTLY a tulpa is. Some believe they're actual sentient beings and others more popularly believe they're merely the brain purposefully tricking itself into creating a separate mental profile. I tend to lean towards the latter, but that's purely my opinion. In any case, I find tulpas to be one of the most interesting things the mind is capable of.

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So now that we know what a tulpa is and where exactly they came from, we can move on to techniques of tulpa formation, which is called forcing. When we force, we are thinking constantly about our tulpa and interacting with it in our minds, usually through talking. (Although you can talk to them out loud, you should talk to them in your mind for obvious reasons.) We do this to essentially strengthen the existence of our prospective tulpa.

Before you start anything though, know that creating a tulpa is a (mostly) permanent affair. This is not something one lightly creates, even if you believe they are mere mental playthings. Once a tulpa has been formed, they will not go away at the flick of your wrist here. Getting rid of a tulpa, at the very least, takes a long while. And at worst it's incredibly painful and hurtful for both the tulpa and host.

Now, first of all, remember: the tulpa is independent from the start. Expect it along with other desired personality traits. And you need to truly expect and believe these traits are in your tulpa.

You choose a model, you breathe life into it, and you focus on that person's presence/unconscious feeling we associate with that being, assuming it has its own thoughts/thought process you CANNOT see. You interact with it and observe it.

So let's say you wanted, I don't know, Cortana as a tulpa. You would take that model of who she is, her form, and voice (forming the "interface"), and you would expect vocal, visual and emotional pseudo-hallucinations from this form/interface, but you would have no idea what goes on inside it - you would not perceive its thoughts form as you made the assumption that they're private. And you would begin to interact with it. This will take some time, although the exact time it takes varies wildly between people. Some need only a week to get them fully formed, and for others, it takes them at least a month before their tulpa begins to at least talk.

Remember to use the voice as an interface and NOT their thoughts. Don't simulate the tulpa in your mind and instead just observe it acting freely and unconstrained. And remember to allow it to interact with you by visual, auditory, and sensory pseudo-hallucinations. Expect them to be like a REAL person. And like a real person, you cannot predict anything about them. You can also think about it like this. You can know a person. Sometimes very well. But you of course, in the end, can't truly know exactly what the person will do right now or what they will think. Or at least not 100% accurately at all anyway. And so it is for your tulpa.

Some people, for some reason, feel like they need to tell others they have a tulpa. Honestly, unless you're having romantic relations with your tulpa and your fat ass actually got a girlfriend, this is a bad cringey idea. Nobody needs to know about your tulpa(s). Nobody (usually) cares. Now, obviously there are tulpa communities where you can talk about it and have your tulpa chat and stuff, but that's about it. Tulpas are a personal thing and don't need to be dragged out into the public light. So as a general rule in public, unless you're specifically asked about it, keep your tulpas to your damn self.

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Now there's actually many kinds of tulpas I haven't talked about here like non-sentient "servitors" and incomplete "fragments" plus many tulpa-forming, manipulating, holding, and destroying techniques, but I'm not going to go into all that in this thread. For now, I just want to go through the basics here and get everyone at least comfortable with the concept. With that said, tulpas are pretty awesome, even if just to study. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this guide. Until next time, keep it good.
 

Vendor-Lazarus

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That was actually an interesting read.
A fascinating aspect of controlled multiple personalities. The brain truly is amazing.
I've always had a tendency to talk to myself, within my own mind. Sometimes even arguing.
I won't be trying to create a tulpa, since it would be too much of a permanent thing, which I would have to know all (or as much as possible) about consequences and such for to even consider.
I can however see how it could be used to recall information through librarian/robot/terminal personalites.
It could also help in overcoming fears or disliked inherent(?) traits. Or arguing from another viewpoint.

Would you covering the risks more in-depth later? It looked a bit glossed over.
 

Houseman

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I don't believe in this, or rather, I believe this is just literal wishful thinking for lonely and/or bored people
 

infinityshock

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normal people stop having imaginary friends after about kindergarten...maybe first grade.

when grownups have imaginary friends its called schitzofruitcakeitis.
 

Signa

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Arnox said:
So as a general rule in public, unless you're specifically asked about it, keep your tulpas to your damn self.
Soooo... Do you have a tulpa?
 

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Vendor-Lazarus said:
Would you covering the risks more in-depth later? It looked a bit glossed over.
The biggest one is definitely that they're semi-permanent. Otherwise, the other risks are common sense in that, assuming you've made a full-fledged Tulpa, you have an independent being living in your mind. One that is deeply connected to you on both an emotional and mental level and understands you better than anyone else, but still. They require time, attention, and understanding as with any life-long friend.

I HAVE heard of a story of a person who made tulpas just to torture them in his mind. Apparently the tulpas began to strike back and try to will the host to disappear (dissipation), which they were eventually successful in doing. Again, just a story I heard.

Houseman said:
I don't believe in this, or rather, I believe this is just literal wishful thinking for lonely and/or bored people
You don't believe that they are sentient or that you don't believe it's actually possible to make one?

bluegate said:
What the actual.. whut? :eek:

A self help guide on how to become a mental fruitcake? :eek:
It's fun being a (stable) mental fruitcake though.

You could say people make them for the same reason people buy and own pets. Except a tulpa is FAR more than just a pet. Or at least they can be.

Signa said:
Soooo... Do you have a tulpa?
That's classified.
 

infinityshock

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Arnox said:
Vendor-Lazarus said:
Would you covering the risks more in-depth later? It looked a bit glossed over.
The biggest one is definitely that they're semi-permanent. Otherwise, the other risks are common sense in that, assuming you've made a full-fledged Tulpa, you have an independent being living in your mind. One that is deeply connected to you on both an emotional and mental level and understands you better than anyone else, but still. They require time, attention, and understanding as with any life-long friend.

I HAVE heard of a story of a person who made tulpas just to torture them in his mind. Apparently the tulpas began to strike back and try to will the host to disappear (dissipation), which they were eventually successful in doing. Again, just a story I heard.

Houseman said:
I don't believe in this, or rather, I believe this is just literal wishful thinking for lonely and/or bored people
You don't believe that they are sentient or that you don't believe it's actually possible to make one?

bluegate said:
What the actual.. whut? :eek:

A self help guide on how to become a mental fruitcake? :eek:
It's fun being a (stable) mental fruitcake though.

You could say people make them for the same reason people buy and own pets. Except a tulpa is FAR more than just a pet. Or at least they can be.

Signa said:
Soooo... Do you have a tulpa?
That's classified.
no, its not classified. you brought up the topic and opened the can of worms...talk about it.

tell everyone about your mystical magical and fantastical dragon friends that youre so fond of.

completely on topic.

there is nothing you described that isnt a to-the-T descriptive of several DSM-identified mental disorders.
 

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Houseman said:
OK, but let's say for the sake of argument that it was possible. Do you think your attitude toward them would change?

infinityshock said:
there is nothing you described that isnt a to-the-T descriptive of several DSM-identified mental disorders.
This is actually a very interesting point you brought up. The big difference between tulpas and a mental illness though is that a mental illness is out of control and it harms your life in some way.

Also, I distinctly remember you saying a long time ago that the DSM was a bunch of bullshit.
 

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Arnox said:
Houseman said:
OK, but let's say for the sake of argument that it was possible. Do you think your attitude toward them would change?

infinityshock said:
there is nothing you described that isnt a to-the-T descriptive of several DSM-identified mental disorders.
This is actually a very interesting point you brought up. The big difference between tulpas and a mental illness though is that a mental illness is out of control and it harms your life in some way.

Also, I distinctly remember you saying a long time ago that the DSM was a bunch of bullshit.
a mental illness is the inability to grasp reality.

interacting with things that dont exist (delusions dont count as existing) is a mental disorder regardless of the validity of the kike authored DSM
 

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infinityshock said:
a mental illness is the inability to grasp reality.
Even if we go by that definition, a tulpa still doesn't qualify because it's not that the host is unable to grasp reality. It's more like they're changing their mental reality to suit them. It becomes an inability when anything gets out of control.
 

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Arnox said:
infinityshock said:
a mental illness is the inability to grasp reality.
Even if we go by that definition, a tulpa still doesn't qualify because it's not that the host is unable to grasp reality. It's more like they're changing their mental reality to suit them. It becomes an inability when anything gets out of control.
no.

if something isnt there...as in perceptible by the normal people...it is a figment of ones imagination. interacting with something that isnt there is indicative of suffering from schitzofruitbowlitis.
 

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infinityshock said:
if something isnt there...as in perceptible by the normal people...it is a figment of ones imagination. interacting with something that isnt there is indicative of suffering from schitzofruitbowlitis.
lol This makes zero sense. If this was really true, then math is indicative of insanity since we're manipulating "figments" in our mind.
 

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Arnox said:
infinityshock said:
if something isnt there...as in perceptible by the normal people...it is a figment of ones imagination. interacting with something that isnt there is indicative of suffering from schitzofruitbowlitis.
lol This makes zero sense. If this was really true, then math is indicative of insanity since we're manipulating "figments" in our mind.
either youre losing your mind or you suck at analogies.

you dont interact with math...its completely passive...a one way street.
 

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infinityshock said:
either youre losing your mind or you suck at analogies.

you dont interact with math...its completely passive...a one way street.
Eh, maybe I want to lose my mind. Reality can get so boring and I'm tired of all the worrying. :tup:

In any case, any kind of mental thinking could technically described as interacting. Where you manipulate it and you get a result.
 

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Arnox said:
Signa said:
Soooo... Do you have a tulpa?
That's classified.

You could have just said yes.

I think it's an intriguing topic. I feel like I've done something similar in my mind to suppress "negative" impulses into a separate personality partition. It's probably not much different than what everyone else does when they learn self control, but it's in the way you describe the creation of the tulpa that echos how I'd describe parts of my psyche.
 

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I might've accidentally made one of these as a teenager. I was very very lonely as a teenager, I had no one. Shitty family, "friends" that would betray me regularly but I still talked to them because I had no one else.


Now, at 23 and somewhat socially adjusted, It's still there, for better or worse. It definitely interferes with relationships with other humans. It tends to be rather negative, but, as it's a "logical" sort of negative, I can't say it's presence is decidedly negative. For example, I'll think "maybe I should give this person another chance," it will say "how many times does this person have to fuck you over before you'll tell them to fuck off?" or it will tell me that the new person I'm trying to make friends/partners with is out to get me, but I'll ignore it, chalking it up to my own paranoia. But it never seems to be wrong.


It's like a more cold, logical, dissociated version of myself, or what I would be like if I gave absolutely zero fucks about anything or anyone, but definitely feels like a separate entity. I've tried to get rid of it a few times, but it either doesn't leave or it returns within a week or so, and when it does leave it's like there's a huge empty hole in my life.


It acts like, and wants me to believe that it's female, but I think that if it is a separate being from myself, that it's genderless and tries to make me believe that it's female so that I'll accept it more easily.


It interferes most with romantic relationships, always telling me that the person I'm with is only out to get me, or to use me for something. But, as stated above, it never seems to be wrong.


I've been diagnosed with several mental illnesses and I've always chalked it up to that, although I don't fully believe in the idea of "mental illness" as described by "professionals" in the field. Maybe it's actually a "tulpa," although I've never felt like I was in control of it.


I've never admitted any of this to anyone ever, online or IRL.
 

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Arnox said:
infinityshock said:
either youre losing your mind or you suck at analogies.

you dont interact with math...its completely passive...a one way street.
Eh, maybe I want to lose my mind. Reality can get so boring and I'm tired of all the worrying. :tup:

In any case, any kind of mental thinking could technically described as interacting. Where you manipulate it and you get a result.
ive been saying it since about the 5th or 6th post of yours i ever read: you lost your mind long ago. theres no debating that.

you have no idea what reality holds...you spend too much time locked away in your fantasy land of invisible friends and magical dragons with super-sized-strap-ons.

the results of interacting are dependent on the one 'acting.' the return of communication has to be separate from the actor, otherwise its just talking to themselves.
 

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infinityshock said:
Arnox said:
Eh, maybe I want to lose my mind. Reality can get so boring and I'm tired of all the worrying. :tup:

In any case, any kind of mental thinking could technically described as interacting. Where you manipulate it and you get a result.
ive been saying it since about the 5th or 6th post of yours i ever read: you lost your mind long ago. theres no debating that.

you have no idea what reality holds...you spend too much time locked away in your fantasy land of invisible friends and magical dragons with super-sized-strap-ons.

the results of interacting are dependent on the one 'acting.' the return of communication has to be separate from the actor, otherwise its just talking to themselves.
While you do speak a lot of sense, you're not the best person to be delivering a message of reality while you belive that there is a Jewish conspiracy.

Sjws are always talking about "their reality" and it drives me up the wall. However, you can only perceive things as you perceive them, and a healthy dose of "did I see that right?" In your mindset goes a long way to keep your reality as close as possible to the actual reality. If you're seeing tulpas or believing in conspiracies, it's going to be hard to not perceive them. No amount of scolding or shaming is going to get you to stop seeing what you see.
 

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Signa said:
infinityshock said:
ive been saying it since about the 5th or 6th post of yours i ever read: you lost your mind long ago. theres no debating that.

you have no idea what reality holds...you spend too much time locked away in your fantasy land of invisible friends and magical dragons with super-sized-strap-ons.

the results of interacting are dependent on the one 'acting.' the return of communication has to be separate from the actor, otherwise its just talking to themselves.
While you do speak a lot of sense, you're not the best person to be delivering a message of reality while you belive that there is a Jewish conspiracy.

Sjws are always talking about "their reality" and it drives me up the wall. However, you can only perceive things as you perceive them, and a healthy dose of "did I see that right?" In your mindset goes a long way to keep your reality as close as possible to the actual reality. If you're seeing tulpas or believing in conspiracies, it's going to be hard to not perceive them. No amount of scolding or shaming is going to get you to stop seeing what you see.
regardless of a kike conspiracy, what cant be disputed is the overwhelming quantity of proof that kikes are, in fact, involved in a conspiracy against the entire world.

ive had a most unfortunate experience with a sjw. the only reason i spent such an effort at not telling her what a fucked-up fruitbasket she was is to get into her panties. her belief in life was that she should be able to sit at her mothers house, smoke her happy herbage, futz around all day on facebook, and literally not attend her kids at all. according to her, her mother and baby-daddy were the ones who were s'posed to provide her financial needs. her pharmaceutical needs were met by male druggies trying to get into her pants.

she spends her day going through her 5,000 friends' facebook pages and reading about how the world is fucked up, all the forests are melting and the glaciers are burning and were all going to die because the NSA is implanting memories into our minds and keeping us locked in a 'matrix' reality and and and and...

i am not exaggerating when i say it caused me actual physical discomfort in my brain to adjust my mental processing to try to comprehend her fucked up outlook on life and even more fucked up grasp on reality.

she called me to her house one time to keep her company and 'protect' her because the garbage truck stopped for too long at her neighbors house (i was listening to the conversation over the phone) and she accused them of being sex traffickers.

this is the exact same mental flaw that allows people to see things that arent there...regardless of what theyre called. its an inability to properly process information to discern reality from what mis-firing neurons are literally shitting into the central nervous system.
 

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infinityshock said:
Signa said:
While you do speak a lot of sense, you're not the best person to be delivering a message of reality while you belive that there is a Jewish conspiracy.
I'm not debating that Jews run a lot of important shit. I'm saying that there is no conspiracy. Could it be, that the same genetic and/or cultural qualities that makes blacks inferior to you also boost the Jews standing in society? Think about it, if something causes blacks to suck, why can't the same natural forces make another group above average? Why does there have to be a secret council of Jews trying to take over the world instead of a lot of above average individuals doing above average things?
Sjws are always talking about "their reality" and it drives me up the wall. However, you can only perceive things as you perceive them, and a healthy dose of "did I see that right?" In your mindset goes a long way to keep your reality as close as possible to the actual reality. If you're seeing tulpas or believing in conspiracies, it's going to be hard to not perceive them. No amount of scolding or shaming is going to get you to stop seeing what you see.
regardless of a kike conspiracy, what cant be disputed is the overwhelming quantity of proof that kikes are, in fact, involved in a conspiracy against the entire world.

ive had a most unfortunate experience with a sjw. the only reason i spent such an effort at not telling her what a fucked-up fruitbasket she was is to get into her panties. her belief in life was that she should be able to sit at her mothers house, smoke her happy herbage, futz around all day on facebook, and literally not attend her kids at all. according to her, her mother and baby-daddy were the ones who were s'posed to provide her financial needs. her pharmaceutical needs were met by male druggies trying to get into her pants.

she spends her day going through her 5,000 friends' facebook pages and reading about how the world is fucked up, all the forests are melting and the glaciers are burning and were all going to die because the NSA is implanting memories into our minds and keeping us locked in a 'matrix' reality and and and and...

i am not exaggerating when i say it caused me actual physical discomfort in my brain to adjust my mental processing to try to comprehend her fucked up outlook on life and even more fucked up grasp on reality.

she called me to her house one time to keep her company and 'protect' her because the garbage truck stopped for too long at her neighbors house (i was listening to the conversation over the phone) and she accused them of being sex traffickers.

this is the exact same mental flaw that allows people to see things that arent there...regardless of what theyre called. its an inability to properly process information to discern reality from what mis-firing neurons are literally shitting into the central nervous system.
Sounds about right for leftists again. God, it's amazing how bad social media fucked up the world in just a decade.
 
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