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The Confederate flag

Houseman

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This is what most people think of when they think of "confederate flag"



This flag is seen, to many, as a hate symbol, right up there with the Nazi flag.
I wasn't content with the media's and the internet's one-sided portrayal of this symbol as "racist", and having no connection with the flag myself, I decided to ask people who fly the flag what it means to them.

Here are some of the top answers that I got back:

- "Southern heritage. I have never associated this flag with anything nefarious. People in the South love the South. You don't hear songs about, oh say, New England...but you hear a lot of songs about the South."

- "It’s origins, the designs before this one were based on Christianity. There was a strong religious presence in the country’s founding."

- " "Rebel yell." Rebellion of TPTB. I've lived in the South most of my life, and I honestly never knew anyone considered that flag as racist until I went to college and heard a group of black people talking about it."

- "Rebellion. Independence. Fuck the system. "I'm still an individual." Underdog. Country rather than city. Rough rather than coifed."

- "Growing up in the South during the 80s, it just meant rebellion. People put it on their truck or car and would yell woohoo and drink beer.
Others displayed it for Southern Heritage. But in my circle we never saw having anything to do with race explicitly."

- "Growing up in the 80s and 90s, I knew more black teens with that flag on their trucks than white teens. But in either case, to us all it meant "rebel" as in you can't dictate my life choices to me."

- "It's the Confederate Battle Flag. It's a symbol of Southern Pride, Resistance to Intrusive Government Power, Rebellion against Social Norms, Individual Liberty, Racial Pride, and Patriotism. It can mean all of these things to a person, or none of these things."

- "the flag represents the blood of my ancestors who died defending their homes from federal govt stooges. it represents my home and my people as they were, unmolested and whole."

Also, I was directed to H.K. Edgerton, a black man who proudly flies the flag and wears the uniform while explaining his beliefs, and what the flag means to him:

Notice how none of them said "I love slavery and want to bring it back!" or "White Supremacy!" as people would want you to think.

What I find sad about this is that people are so willing and ready to believe what they are told about a group of people, that they are racist and evil, or about a symbol, that it is offensive, just because someone told them what to believe. The people who believe this didn't do the work I did just now. They never actually talked to the people that fly the flag. They didn't get both sides of the story.

The moral of the story is: get both sides of the story. Get all the facts before making up your mind. Don't let people tell you what to think.
 
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Arnox

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Interesting...

I miss threads like this that actually made you think and/or gave another point of view you would normally never have learned otherwise.
 

Drathnoxis

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I wasn't content with the media's and the internet's one-sided portrayal of this symbol as "racist", and having no connection with the flag myself, I decided to ask people who fly the flag what it means to them.

Here are some of the top answers that I got back:
I don't care about this topic in the slightest, but who did you ask? People in person or on the internet? All I see are unattributed quotes that you very well could have written yourself. Not what I would personally call facts.
 

Houseman

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I don't care about this topic in the slightest, but who did you ask? People in person or on the internet? All I see are unattributed quotes that you very well could have written yourself. Not what I would personally call facts.
Well, there's also those two youtube videos.

I asked people on the internet, from the_donald.
 

Drathnoxis

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I just read Gone with the Wind. It was very interesting to see a story about the American Civil War from the perspective of the Confederates. You never really seen anything about it beyond a black and white freedom vs. slavery thing, but I guess there was a bit more to it. I could see some families holding onto the grudge against the Yankees for their actions after the war for generations.
 

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I don't think much of a flag but I guess people do
I just read Gone with the Wind. It was very interesting to see a story about the American Civil War from the perspective of the Confederates. You never really seen anything about it beyond a black and white freedom vs. slavery thing, but I guess there was a bit more to it. I could see some families holding onto the grudge against the Yankees for their actions after the war for generations.

Just be the better person
 

Arnox

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I just read Gone with the Wind. It was very interesting to see a story about the American Civil War from the perspective of the Confederates. You never really seen anything about it beyond a black and white freedom vs. slavery thing, but I guess there was a bit more to it. I could see some families holding onto the grudge against the Yankees for their actions after the war for generations.
Well, as we all know, the Civil War was heavily about state powers versus federal powers. Slavery was the powder keg that had been sitting there ever since after the Revolutionary War and then blew up, initiating the Civil War and reigniting the big ass debate they had about how much power the federal government should have as compared to state governments. During the writing of the Constitution, a bunch of founding fathers really hated slavery and would have loved to have just shot it in the head that day, metaphorically speaking, but as a way to appease the south and to finally get started on uniting the states, it was allowed with a few small caveats under the assumption that it would be sorted out later.

It was not sorted out later.
 
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