How did SJWs get to this point of having this much power in society?

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

I been wondering this as I been reading about history and culture, and if you look at sitcoms from the 90s and 2000s as not just sitcoms but movies and entertainment, you see the SJW type get mocked like it’s nothing. You also get your right or conservative character who is shown as the church ladies stereotype or the Moms against whatever for example.

So how did people who was for censorship and who got ridiculed for it and rightfully so, become powerful again and is harder to fight against? Not counting that their ideas go against the foundation of freedom and the USA. Was it social media giving them a platform? Or did they sneak through the back door per say?

I did read a interesting article that said that the younger folks are for censorship and are more like the puritans. I think that has to be BS and biased right?

Edit I think we need to go back to calling them SJWs, it sounds better in my opinion and more professional sounding, I can’t think of the right word right now for it.

 

[Houseman]

 

[Arnox]

Just a theory, but in my view, the pendulum swung really damn far to the right from round the 1900s (maybe even way earlier) to the 1920s, started its swing to the left in the 30s. Then far to the right in the 40s and 50s. Then in the 60s, it swung back to the left somewhat, and then to the right somewhat for the 80s-90s, then started swinging WAY back to the left in 2000 to 2015. Now the pendulum has been swinging to the right again and it's now in the middle.

When the pendulum was swinging way to the left starting in the 2000s, that was when the internet was really beginning to take off hard, so a lot of leftists established a power base early on. And now, with the internet so centralized, the left and especially the LGBTQ crowd achieved maximum dominance in communications and they started to push things HARD now that they were FINALLY on top for once. Maybe perhaps for the very first time in human history.

The problem is that they pushed way too damn hard and now they're getting majorly rebuffed in turn. As I've always said though, this Left vs. Right bullshit is harming everyone. Left and right both have great points. We need to meet together and unite in the middle with the Bill of Rights as the backing.

 

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[Dale Gribble]

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The idea that white nationalism would not threaten profits is just wrong. Giant companies love immigration bc they can import unskilled third world laborers and pay them a pittance. That’s why wages are so low now, mass immigration.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

Looks like it’s a never ending cycle @Arnox. I got to say that is a good theory as it makes sense from historical context. It is wild to see and sad how nothing hasn’t really changed as the SJWs are the same as real racist as there a huge overlaping with thier way of thinking.

This has been a thought and could be a theory of sorts. SJWs or more specific your woke types are the same as extreme religious people. Now I don’t think I would really call this a theory as they technically act the same of sorts, but I do think your woke types are actually religious instead of atheists as they would call themselves.

If the idea of atheism is there no such thing as God or the Devil, and not all atheists are “religious” in the context im using religion as. If you look at SJW and compare it to your more extreme religious folks, they ironically use the same idea. For example original sin as in the Book of Genesis, the woke type kind of have a version like white guilt. Just a thought I had that they are dogmatic as Christianity can be.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

Looks like it’s a never ending cycle @Arnox. I got to say that is a good theory as it makes sense from historical context. It is wild to see and sad how nothing hasn’t really changed as the SJWs are the same as real racist as there a huge overlaping with thier way of thinking.

This has been a thought and could be a theory of sorts. SJWs or more specific your woke types are the same as extreme religious people. Now I don’t think I would really call this a theory as they technically act the same of sorts, but I do think your woke types are actually religious instead of atheists as they would call themselves.

If the idea of atheism is there no such thing as God or the Devil, and not all atheists are “religious” in the context im using religion as. If you look at SJW and compare it to your more extreme religious folks, they ironically use the same idea. For example original sin as in the Book of Genesis, the woke type kind of have a version like white guilt. Just a thought I had that they are dogmatic as Christianity can be.

This is indeed the case. Identity Politics in a nutshell.

Inherent whiteness & Jewness = Original Sin. Hate Speech & Jew Propaganda = Blasphemy. Cancelling & Excluding = Excommunication. Corporate Policy/DEI/ESG & Party mandates = Religious Values. Listen and Believe & Self-evident = gods revealed truth. Protected Class & Aryan = Chosen People. Apologizing (for going against the narrative) = Repentance. Drag Queen story hour = Sunday class. Problematic books = Heathen scriptures. etc etc

 

[Signa]

Looks like it’s a never ending cycle @Arnox. I got to say that is a good theory as it makes sense from historical context. It is wild to see and sad how nothing hasn’t really changed as the SJWs are the same as real racist as there a huge overlaping with thier way of thinking.

This has been a thought and could be a theory of sorts. SJWs or more specific your woke types are the same as extreme religious people. Now I don’t think I would really call this a theory as they technically act the same of sorts, but I do think your woke types are actually religious instead of atheists as they would call themselves.

If the idea of atheism is there no such thing as God or the Devil, and not all atheists are “religious” in the context im using religion as. If you look at SJW and compare it to your more extreme religious folks, they ironically use the same idea. For example original sin as in the Book of Genesis, the woke type kind of have a version like white guilt. Just a thought I had that they are dogmatic as Christianity can be.

I've heard it said that a lot of this swing is due to the loss of faith/religion. Nietzsche has that famous quote about God being dead, and it wasn't said in celebration. He was afraid of exactly what we're seeing now, because now we have nothing to anchor our beliefs and values.

For your original question, it's been going on for decades at this point. I see flavors of it in the early 90s in some of the shows I used to watch. The thing is, they were expressing good ideas but with no limiting principle. What we saw in the 2010s was what happens when those values go beyond where there should have been one.

Like, the core beliefs of feminism and equality and freedom are all great ideas, but over time they morphed into female supremacy, equality of outcome, and freedom from the burden of reality itself.

 

[Dale Gribble]

If you guys really want to see the underlying messages in a lot of popular movies and tv you should really check out blackpilled on Odysee. I can link some vids if anyone is interested. He really breaks down how tv is really just propaganda.

 

[Arnox]

I must say though, I am a little bothered by all the focus on SJWs here. They are not the only extremists out there and, in my opinion, are starting to lose their power. There is not much equal perspective. Let's not forget all the conservative horseshit we've had to put up with throughout history such as the war on drugs, McCarthyism, and, yes, discrimination of LGBTQ peoples.

And we haven't even gotten into the new horseshit such as the ban on porn, the enforcement of ID to even view certain sites, and now the cutting of social benefits such as Medicaid when the lower class need them a lot more than they did right now.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

I must say though, I am a little bothered by all the focus on SJWs here. They are not the only extremists out there and, in my opinion, are starting to lose their power. There is not much equal perspective. Let's not forget all the conservative horseshit we've had to put up with throughout history such as the war on drugs, McCarthyism, and, yes, discrimination of LGBTQ peoples.

And we haven't even gotten into the new horseshit such as the ban on porn, the enforcement of ID to even view certain sites, and now the cutting of social benefits such as Medicaid when the lower class need them a lot more than they did right now.

Definitely, don’t get me wrong I can’t stand SJW but the conservatives I hate for a different reason. Mostly their outdated ideas and using religion as it some protection. It funny with them as they use religion yet shit all over it and don’t want to hear the part that they are not saints. Not counting they start sounding like baptist preachers with the,“You going to hell for (insert here that they think is a sin)”.

You have to be on the defensive for both sides as someone is out for power and they are gonna use whatever they can get their authoritarian hands on.

 

[Signa]

You guys have some very old ideas about conservatives and you'll probably miss the conservative version of the SJWs when they come knocking if that's the things you're looking for.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

You guys have some very old ideas about conservatives and you'll probably miss the conservative version of the SJWs when they come knocking if that's the things you're looking for.

I mean the days of the old conservative are good but I even say the old days of the left is as well. That something I have the hardest time understanding as I might still think it’s still the 2000s in terms of what both sides are about. Though what is the new conservatives anyway? Aren’t the new ones just old school liberals? Or do I have them mixed up?

 

[Dale Gribble]

I must say though, I am a little bothered by all the focus on SJWs here. They are not the only extremists out there and, in my opinion, are starting to lose their power. There is not much equal perspective. Let's not forget all the conservative horseshit we've had to put up with throughout history such as the war on drugs, McCarthyism, and, yes, discrimination of LGBTQ peoples.

And we haven't even gotten into the new horseshit such as the ban on porn, the enforcement of ID to even view certain sites, and now the cutting of social benefits such as Medicaid when the lower class need them a lot more than they did right now.

The only reason I disagree with the war on drugs is because it’s not sending delta force to execute cartel leaders and putting drug dealers to death. It’s giving some guy 7yrs in prison for weed.
McCarthyism was kind of a good thing imo
We stopped discriminating against homos and now look where we are. You can have your kids taken for not letting them change their gender.
I don’t care about the ban on porn. I think it’s good. It’s not good for society.
Benefits were cut to a bunch of people that we’re supposedly over 120 years old. Who was collecting those checks?

Look, I’m assuming here but I’m probably the lower class you talk about. All the rest of you guys seem like pretty intelligent tech types, probably have a good job, and to me it’s you sitting in the ivory tower telling me what should be different. Well I’m the one on the ground. I see the effects of the drugs and the poverty daily. I see trailers that look abandoned with tarps on the roof that are probably stealing power. I see the fiends nodded out on the corner. I see the damage from the hurricane that still hasn’t been fixed. I am the one that stuff directly and indirectly affects. In the midst of the drugs and the crime there’s people like me, trying their hardest just to eek along. So maybe that’s why our point of view is so different.

 

[Arnox]

The only reason I disagree with the war on drugs is because it’s not sending delta force to execute cartel leaders and putting drug dealers to death. It’s giving some guy 7yrs in prison for weed.

Hey, nobody likes Cartel leaders. We all want to see them die horrible deaths under the boots of our soldiers. I just don't like how weed and psychedelics got utterly demonized for selfish and idiotic reasons. Hundreds of thousands of people are getting crushed by alcoholism, but no, it's the devil's cabbage that's the problem!

McCarthyism was kind of a good thing imo

In what way? Yes, there were indeed Russian spies in the government at that time. Yes, it was a good idea to be vigilantly watching for them in government, but that's not what the issue was. The issue was how people got arrested and tried simply because someone didn't like what they said. Or maybe it wasn't even that. Maybe someone just wanted a convenient excuse to remove a rival. It was the Witch Trials all over again, except instead of witches and witchcraft, it was Russian spies and communism.

We stopped discriminating against homos and now look where we are. You can have your kids taken for not letting them change their gender.

So that justifies being an asshole back? This he-said-she-said tit for tat needs to stop and we need to start talking and uniting. And not just with LGBTQ matters, but with everything.

I don’t care about the ban on porn. I think it’s good. It’s not good for society.

I think there's a great quote from Demolition Man that you should read.

See, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy. Cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind if guy who wants to sit in a greasy spoon and think, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol. I want to eat bacon, butter and buckets of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in a non-smoking section. I wanna run through the streets naked with green Jello all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to. Okay, pal? I've seen the future, you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sittin' around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener". You wanna live on top, you gotta live Cocteau's way. What he wants, when he wants, how he wants.

And we're not even yet getting into how one would even define porn. Are we going back to Puritan values? Is a woman or man's naked body illegal now? Is sex itself an evil? Is a sexy woman wearing really slutty clothes now illegal? What about drawn porn? Is that illegal? What about kinky porn that doesn't actually show nudity?

Benefits were cut to a bunch of people that we’re supposedly over 120 years old. Who was collecting those checks?

Nono, that's not what I'm talking about. I mean legitimate, alive, full American citizens getting their benefits cut. States will now also need to pay for Medicaid (I think) twice as much for their share as they did before. So states are either gonna start denying a whole bunch of people because they simply can't support them or taxes will have to be raised by who the hell knows how much.

Look, I’m assuming here but I’m probably the lower class you talk about. All the rest of you guys seem like pretty intelligent tech types, probably have a good job, and to me it’s you sitting in the ivory tower telling me what should be different. Well I’m the one on the ground.

Man, believe it or not, I'm WITH YOU. I've literally had nights where I cried because of the sheer greedy madness of this entire fucking world. Every one of these decisions which, to quote the New Testament, grinds the face of the poor... This planet could be so awesome to live on, but no. NO. We can't have that because of a whole bunch of slimy fucking sociopaths in too high positions of government and trade. And it is because of those """people""" that we all suffer. Greatly. Perhaps you may actually find that I do understand you more than you might believe, and that I sympathize with you, and that I'm there with you. Or at least, as "there" as I can be.

(By the way, no, I don't make too much myself, although I do still consider myself very lucky, financially.)

 

[Dale Gribble]

Hey, nobody likes Cartel leaders. We all want to see them die horrible deaths under the boots of our soldiers. I just don't like how weed and psychedelics got utterly demonized for selfish and idiotic reasons. Hundreds of thousands of people are getting crushed by alcoholism, but no, it's the devil's cabbage that's the problem!



In what way? Yes, there were indeed Russian spies in the government at that time. Yes, it was a good idea to be vigilantly watching for them in government, but that's not what the issue was. The issue was how people got arrested and tried simply because someone didn't like what they said. Or maybe it wasn't even that. Maybe someone just wanted a convenient excuse to remove a rival. It was the Witch Trials all over again, except instead of witches and witchcraft, it was Russian spies and communism.



So that justifies being an asshole back? This he-said-she-said tit for tat needs to stop and we need to start talking and uniting. And not just with LGBTQ matters, but with everything.



I think there's a great quote from Demolition Man that you should read.



And we're not even yet getting into how one would even define porn. Are we going back to Puritan values? Is a woman or man's naked body illegal now? Is sex itself an evil? Is a sexy woman wearing really slutty clothes now illegal? What about drawn porn? Is that illegal? What about kinky porn that doesn't actually show nudity?



Nono, that's not what I'm talking about. I mean legitimate, alive, full American citizens getting their benefits cut. States will now also need to pay for Medicaid (I think) twice as much for their share as they did before. So states are either gonna start denying a whole bunch of people because they simply can't support them or taxes will have to be raised by who the hell knows how much.



Man, believe it or not, I'm WITH YOU. I've literally had nights where I cried because of the sheer greedy madness of this entire fucking world. Every one of these decisions which, to quote the New Testament, grinds the face of the poor... This planet could be so awesome to live on, but no. NO. We can't have that because of a whole bunch of slimy fucking sociopaths in too high positions of government and trade. And it is because of those """people""" that we all suffer. Greatly. Perhaps you may actually find that I do understand you more than you might believe, and that I sympathize with you, and that I'm there with you. Or at least, as "there" as I can be.

(By the way, no, I don't make too much myself, although I do still consider myself very lucky, financially.)

McCarthyism was good because like you said it kept so many communist spies out.

I don’t know if it justifies it, but what’s going on today with the lgbt invasion as I call it isn’t good either. Again, I just don’t think it’s good for society. Kids need a mom and a dad, and to not be exposed to naked tranny freaks.

The quote from demolition man, the truth is you only have freedom insofar as the state allows it. It should be the responsibility of the state to serve the people and the nation as a whole, not to allow endless hedonism. Porn was originally only legalized because a bunch of Jews fought for it to be protected under freedom of speech, before then it was illegal and considered obscene. There is zero benefits to porn, at all. It’s bad for you, it’s bad for society, it’s bad for the men and women who make it, it promotes sex trafficking, I mean the list can go on and on. There is nothing good about it.

You know what’s funny about social programs like Medicaid? I agree they should be there and they should be well funded. What inevitably happens is they get abused and exploited, cut back, and then almost no one can get them. This is coming from someone who just got my food stamps taken away.

On your last point, I don’t disagree. I don’t claim to have all the answers, I just have a different perspective from you.

 

[Arnox]

Kids need a mom and a dad

Kids do need present loving parents. But besides absolute lunatics, who the hell is exposing little kids to "naked tranny freaks"? (Though I do agree, anyone under 18 should not be allowed to do things which would cause permanent transition. It would also seem that puberty blockers have also been found to be harmful, though I have to do more study on that.)

It should be the responsibility of the state to serve the people and the nation as a whole, not to allow endless hedonism.

Eh... Yes... And no. The whole purpose of government should be to protect people's rights from foreign, domestic, and environmental opposition. That's the entirety of government all in one sentence. And yes, I do agree that any person's actions which violate a right should be illegal. Beyond that though, it's not anyone's fucking business. The government needs to stay in their lane.

before then it was illegal and considered obscene.

It was also illegal for slaves to disobey their master but times change.

There is zero benefits to porn, at all. It’s bad for you,

So is overly processed junk food. But people must have the right to make bad decisions for themselves as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. That's why freedom also requires responsibility. And also information, but that's a separate subject. If you don't think so, then the only other logical path is a nanny state.

it promotes sex trafficking,

There's always going to be sex trafficking, and there's always going to be porn, even if it has to be underground. Criminals don't care and never cared about the law. Not to say we should allow sex trafficking of course. Not at all. But this ban is only going to give the criminal element even more power while also stopping almost nobody from looking at it. And for the record, some people actually use porn to enhance their relationships, not deaden them.

Also, you never explained how porn should even be defined.

You know what’s funny about social programs like Medicaid? I agree they should be there and they should be well funded. What inevitably happens is they get abused and exploited, cut back, and then almost no one can get them. This is coming from someone who just got my food stamps taken away.

But cutting funding is just attacking the symptoms of the issue. The root of it is governmental corruption. Cutting the budget somewhat isn't going to fix that. They'll just continue to funnel money to themselves and then point the finger at Trump and say, "Oh, he's responsible for your Medicaid being cut! We don't have the funds for it now."

Unfortunately, this is one of those things where a COMPLETE governmental overhaul needs to be done in order to fix this. At least from the federal to the state level. The counties should fall into line naturally with that.

On your last point, I don’t disagree. I don’t claim to have all the answers, I just have a different perspective from you.

And we will share and discuss as that's what we're all here to do... Except @Gauche. He's crazy.

 

[Dale Gribble]

Kids do need present loving parents. But besides absolute lunatics, who the hell is exposing little kids to "naked tranny freaks"? (Though I do agree, anyone under 18 should not be allowed to do things which would cause permanent transition. It would also seem that puberty blockers have also been found to be harmful, though I have to do more study on that.)



Eh... Yes... And no. The whole purpose of government should be to protect people's rights from foreign, domestic, and environmental opposition. That's the entirety of government all in one sentence. And yes, I do agree that any person's actions which violate a right should be illegal. Beyond that though, it's not anyone's fucking business. The government needs to stay in their lane.

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It was also illegal for slaves to disobey their master but times change.



So is overly processed junk food. But people must have the right to make bad decisions for themselves as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. That's why freedom also requires responsibility. And also information, but that's a separate subject. If you don't think so, then the only other logical path is a nanny state.



There's always going to be sex trafficking, and there's always going to be porn, even if it has to be underground. Criminals don't care and never cared about the law. Not to say we should allow sex trafficking of course. Not at all. But this ban is only going to give the criminal element even more power while also stopping almost nobody from looking at it. And for the record, some people actually use porn to enhance their relationships, not deaden them.

Also, you never explained how porn should even be defined.



But cutting funding is just attacking the symptoms of the issue. The root of it is governmental corruption. Cutting the budget somewhat isn't going to fix that. They'll just continue to funnel money to themselves and then point the finger at Trump and say, "Oh, he's responsible for your Medicaid being cut! We don't have the funds for it now."

Unfortunately, this is one of those things where a COMPLETE governmental overhaul needs to be done in order to fix this. At least from the federal to the state level. The counties should fall into line naturally with that.



And we will share and discuss as that's what we're all here to do... Except @Gauche. He's crazy.

Have you never been to a pride parade? I have. Don’t get the wrong idea, I was protesting it, but I am absolutely sure you could find video after video of kids at pride parades with naked men dancing around, drag shows with kids present, etc. The reality people don’t like to talk about is lgbt and pedophilia go hand in hand.

I’d be absolutely fine with overprocessed junk food going away too. The junk food in the US is illegal in most other countries. I also don’t get the idea of “do whatever you want just don’t bother me” because it does affect you. Like if drugs were legalized all of a sudden, the whole country would look like New Jersey with people doing the fent lean and overdosing in the street. Doesn’t that affect you? Doesn’t it affect the value of your house? Doesn’t it make people move away, thus no longer funding the school system your kids go to?

I think if it’s made illegal and much harder to find a lot of people are going to stop watching porn, which is a good thing. Obviously I wouldn’t consider a sex scene in a movie or a renaissance painting pornography.

I do not think there is any fixing the current system. Every branch of government is so corrupt, from the top to the bottom, it is not repairable. Even my most local government is absolutely corrupt and everyone knows it. The state refuses to do anything about it though.

 

[Arnox]

with naked men dancing around

Which would be a violation of public decency laws. That's a separate matter.

The reality people don’t like to talk about is lgbt and pedophilia go hand in hand.

And how do you figure that?

The junk food in the US is illegal in most other countries.

In what countries? Iran? North Korea? I don't like bandwagon arguments regardless. Most of the world also don't have the right to own personal firearms. You wanna start copying them too?

Like if drugs were legalized all of a sudden, the whole country would look like New Jersey with people doing the fent lean and overdosing in the street.

(Full) drug legalization also requires a strong economy for the middle and lower class, but perhaps most of all by far, actual available rehabilitation resources for those who are trying to quit. This is where Oregon failed when they legalized all drugs. They completely half-assed it and didn't fund NEARLY enough rehab centers. Doing drugs on the street is also a separate problem, once again related to public decency. A whole lot of people who use fucked up drugs like Fent don't WANT to use, but they feel their situation is so hopeless that they don't feel they have a choice and would rather just kill themselves with the drug than face this fucked up planet which offers way too little help or resources for those who truly need it.

I think if it’s made illegal and much harder to find a lot of people are going to stop watching porn, which is a good thing.

Go tell that to those who tried the Prohibition. And you couldn't just get alcohol willy-nilly either. You actually had to get off your ass and either brew it yourself, or go to someplace like a speakeasy. And the Prohibition STILL failed miserably. Now imagine how your little porn ban is going to work when all people need to access it is a copy of Tails on a USB drive. And what about the very current War on Drugs? So very effective that record amounts of people are dying on opiates. All those people you saw in Portland back when they legalized everything... That wasn't tons of new people suddenly jumping up and downing Fentanyl. That was just the problem completely unmasked in all its horrible ugly glory. A problem that was otherwise always beneath the visible surface, but still just as awful and damaging.

Obviously I wouldn’t consider a sex scene in a movie or a renaissance painting pornography.

Ok. Why?

 

[gaijinkaiju]

but times change.

Some would argue for the worst

I think if it’s made illegal and much harder to find a lot of people are going to stop watching porn, which is a good thing.

While I agree with your view that porn should be banned, making it illegal won't necessarily stop people viewing it. CSAM is illegal, but you still get people viewing it. It just gets pushed underground.
I'd probably start by banning sites like OF/Fansly etc, then start regulating the rest of the industry until it's under control.

And we're not even yet getting into how one would even define porn.

Pictures and/or videos depicting one or more adults engaging in, and/or performing sexual acts with the sole intent of arousing the viewer.

Is a sexy woman wearing really slutty clothes now illegal?

Women should practice modesty and not be whores

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

Pictures and/or videos depicting one or more adults engaging in, and/or performing sexual acts with the sole intent of arousing the viewer.

With that description, naked pictures would be legal, because they're not performing sexual acts. If you make it so "arousing the viewer" is the defining factor, feet pics are now illegal.

Neither the extremely prudish religious american/middle-eastern islamic view or the "liberal" anarchy mindset of allowing everything are good. I'm personally leaning way more towards the liberal way here though.

 

[Dale Gribble]

Which would be a violation of public decency laws. That's a separate matter.



And how do you figure that?



In what countries? Iran? North Korea? I don't like bandwagon arguments regardless. Most of the world also don't have the right to own personal firearms. You wanna start copying them too?



(Full) drug legalization also requires a strong economy for the middle and lower class, but perhaps most of all by far, actual available rehabilitation resources for those who are trying to quit. This is where Oregon failed when they legalized all drugs. They completely half-assed it and didn't fund NEARLY enough rehab centers. Doing drugs on the street is also a separate problem, once again related to public decency. A whole lot of people who use fucked up drugs like Fent don't WANT to use, but they feel their situation is so hopeless that they don't feel they have a choice and would rather just kill themselves with the drug than face this fucked up planet which offers way too little help or resources for those who truly need it.



Go tell that to those who tried the Prohibition. And you couldn't just get alcohol willy-nilly either. You actually had to get off your ass and either brew it yourself, or go to someplace like a speakeasy. And the Prohibition STILL failed miserably. Now imagine how your little porn ban is going to work when all people need to access it is a copy of Tails on a USB drive. And what about the very current War on Drugs? So very effective that record amounts of people are dying on opiates. All those people you saw in Portland back when they legalized everything... That wasn't tons of new people suddenly jumping up and downing Fentanyl. That was just the problem completely unmasked in all its horrible ugly glory. A problem that was otherwise always beneath the visible surface, but still just as awful and damaging.



Ok. Why?

You’re right, it should be a violation of public decency and an arrestable offense. Liberal mayors and sheriffs never enforce it for fear of being labeled homophobic. I have seen, with my own eyes, literal children going into a drag show and watching naked men dance around dressed as women, while the police stand outside and tell you “we have to remain neutral”

You know, when the jihadists took over the Middle East after we pulled out, they rounded up all the drug addicts and drug dealers. They executed the drug dealers. They forced the addicts into jail until the withdrawals were over. I’m not saying this is the best approach, but they did this with zero dollars. This kind of circles back to my ivory tower argument, but I think a lot of addicts do want to use. I’m not exactly the most well adjusted adult. I have problems, I struggled with addiction in the past, I don’t know what a coping skill is but hell even I can manage to stay clean. I flip flop back and forth between empathy and a real disdain for addicts nowadays. I would be willing to bet I interact with more addicts daily than most of you. In my time at the clinic there were just a handful of people who actually wanted to get clean. Most of the others showed up because they couldn’t score and didn’t want to be sick. In my state going to the clinic is free as well, but like all social programs people abuse it.

I get what you’re saying, even if porn is illegal people are still going to get it just like drugs and alcohol, but it destroys the market for it. It would make a billion dollar industry illegal overnight, pushing them underground like kaiju said.

 

[Dale Gribble]

While I agree with your view that porn should be banned, making it illegal won't necessarily stop people viewing it. CSAM is illegal, but you still get people viewing it. It just gets pushed underground.
I'd probably start by banning sites like OF/Fansly etc, then start regulating the rest of the industry until it's under control.

It would also stop the normalcy of it and everything being so over sexualized. Women sell naked pictures of themselves for $5 a month and this is supposed to be celebrated? This is supposed to be a good thing?

It’s a different point entirely, but kind of the same thing, I was talking to a friend of mine about abortion and I was saying, think of the massive psyop that is. How do you brainwash all these women to the point they think ending the life of a child is a good thing, a thing to be celebrated, a right? How many years was this idea pushed into the mainstream until people were okay with it? It’s kind of the same thing with pornography. You’re not supposed to be exposed to hardcore pornography at 8 years old and yet, any little boy with an internet connection went to google and typed in boobs. That’s not normal.

 

[Gauche]

"power"
edit: "power" pt2

 

[Aoi]

I mean all you need to do is just give a soapbox to anyone that was "hurt" by this original thinking (Like not liking hypersensitive SJW bullshit as a collective society) and have those "hurt" people create content to mold the next generation into being more aware and diverse with whatever specific topic there is to manipulate.


Also, like most social groups, it will degenerate in integrity over time as new members lose touch with original values and behaviors. (Think feminism and what makes a masculine man masculine.)

You'll have feminists that go from wanting equal pay for equal work, to being absolutely offended a man holds the door open for anyone at all.

You'll have obviously wack men going to "Alpha Male Camps" or whatever, taking protein powder and doing shit John Wayne would have probably died sooner over should he have known his feet graced the same earth ss some hopeless 21st century shits who need to go to the masculinity equivalent to a straight camp. Except here it's to build off masculinity somehow.


When you have a mix of opposite agenda manipulation and the inevitable fall of stable values in anything that could be once considered reasonable, it's just a game of waiting for one of the shoes to drop.



Many people are out there that don't want to spend the time learning to swallow their pride and hold simple tears. Having everything be an extremely narcissistic and emotional based society is easier than being in a society that by a large majority, expects some self-control and basic chastity to shut up.


One problem is groups that were once somewhat based in reality (Like conservatives, kind off) went from having some pretty fair arguments and questions against the opposite side, to becoming just like them.

Used to laughable when a liberal goes "Oh you're a misogynist (Stereotype goes here)." to conservatives themselves gas lighting themselves into calling anything that doesn't go "yee-haw" to their favor and opinion "Woke."

All the social groups are shit because all the cool kids left.