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Why do they hate piracy?

gaijinkaiju

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Why in the everloving fuck do publishers/devolpers/whoever-makes-these-dumbass-choices hate sites keeping old games alive?
I understand stopping newer games that they still sell and profit off, but why old games? You're not making a profit of these old ps2, gba or any old system, so why do you like to inconvenience the people trying to keep the games alive (also for archival reasons) Even if i buy a legit copy of the game, its going to be second-hand and you're not seeing a dollar of that, and god-knows I ain't paying the price some people are asking. It is kinda funny how the games no-one cares about are like $1-5 but all the 'good' or 'classics' are upwards of $30 though.
Just let people share them and keep the communities surrounding them alive, stop be annoying pricks for once. Do you know how many games are going to just be forgotten because you stop the only people keeping them alive.
 

Monoochrom

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Yep, can't stop trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

The end result of me not being able to pirate something that I wanted to pirate was never me running out and buying it. I'd just do something else.
 

Vendor-Lazarus

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It's ALL about control.

They want complete control of who sells it, where it's sold and how it's sold.
If it isn't being sold, then they still have to control the franchise and the intellectual property rights.
From what I understand, if they let other people use their "property" without their explicit say so, then those are grounds for them relinquishing control and future claims on further use, profit and control of it.
 

Arnox

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Actually I think the answer here is just remakes and repackagings. Ever since they found out they could make money off of them, they began cracking down on these sites.

I think the real problem here is with current US copyright law. Specifically how long people have exclusive rights to an IP.
 

Gauche

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Who is "they" in this scenario? I ask as the OP makes it just sound like Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. Of those three I only know of Nintendo sending out C&Ds to sites hosting their games (Coolroms/Emuparadise?). Nintendo are dicks about piracy but they make up for it with easily hacked hardware. The PS3 only just recently got hacked in a way accessible for all (before you had to buy a part from China. open the PS3, attach it, reassemble and pray it read the necessary data) while the Switch was done within the year. The 3DS was pratically naked on release.

As for "Why?" I'm going with the classic:
$$$

Do you know how many games are going to just be forgotten because you stop the only people keeping them alive.
The internet doesn't forget, just loses some things.

Why the fuck does sonic have like 15 entries? God damn. Sega, you awful.
That list doesn't account for lost region rips. RIP in pieces
 

andersonnnunes

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Wow, you guys really need to study more. No wait, you wouldn't, forget about it.
 

gaijinkaiju

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Who is "they" in this scenario? I ask as the OP makes it just sound like Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. Of those three I only know of Nintendo sending out C&Ds to sites hosting their games (Coolroms/Emuparadise?). Nintendo are dicks about piracy but they make up for it with easily hacked hardware.
It was more of a general fuck you instead of a single company, but if I had to single out a specific one, then yeah it would be nintendo. If they hadn't started sending out C&D's i'd be willing to bet most rom sites would still actually have roms

I think the real problem here is with current US copyright law. Specifically how long people have exclusive rights to an IP.
This. What happens to an IP if the company goes under? What happens if no-one buys it? does it become abandonware?
 

Signa

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Who is "they" in this scenario? I ask as the OP makes it just sound like Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. Of those three I only know of Nintendo sending out C&Ds to sites hosting their games (Coolroms/Emuparadise?). Nintendo are dicks about piracy but they make up for it with easily hacked hardware. The PS3 only just recently got hacked in a way accessible for all (before you had to buy a part from China. open the PS3, attach it, reassemble and pray it read the necessary data) while the Switch was done within the year. The 3DS was pratically naked on release.

As for "Why?" I'm going with the classic:
$$$


The internet doesn't forget, just loses some things.

Why the fuck does sonic have like 15 entries? God damn. Sega, you awful.
That list doesn't account for lost region rips. RIP in pieces
Thats a good conversation topic, but man, that list is crap. I don't care about all these cut contents or unreleased beta builds. Give me a list of games that should be playable through emulation or something, but for whatever reason can't be.

Hell, DS/3DS games are a perfect example where the hardware won't be available on most other systems, because of the dual/touch screen and 3D. Kinda hard to get that to work on a non-3DS system.
 

Gauche

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Thats a good conversation topic, but man, that list is crap. I don't care about all these cut contents or unreleased beta builds. Give me a list of games that should be playable through emulation or something, but for whatever reason can't be.

Hell, DS/3DS games are a perfect example where the hardware won't be available on most other systems, because of the dual/touch screen and 3D. Kinda hard to get that to work on a non-3DS system.
I think you're looking for an "Unemulatable" list. Emulator dev teams tend to have such lists during development. Like the RPCS3 guys got one. Aside from those I don't know of anything similar.

DS games have the DeSmuME emulator going for them. 3DS has Citra.
I can't imagine folks are interested in emulating the 3D hardware aspect of the 3DS.
 
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Gauche

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https://youtu.be/Ow-wQEF9lmY thought this would be worth adding
I gave this a watch and disagree with several of his points.
The impression I got was this guy is just generally mad on the internet. I mean, dafuq is a "strong" monopoly? You either own the whole thing or you don't (invalidating the monopoly) but one doesn't assert strength to such a thing. That there is "believe in me, this is really true" word dressing. He made it fairly clear he doesn't know what the word monopoly means.

Monopolies (several entities with total control over something but not the same thing) don't "use their resources and influence to raise the cost of entry into the industry".
A Rich entity does that through lobbying/patents/etc. A Rich entity and a an entity with a monopoly aren't the same thing. A further example would be to say I have a complete multi-dimensional monopoly on my teeth. I've got total control over those suckers, space and time be damned. I can't use my resources/influence to raise the cost of entry into the teeth industry, now can I? This doesn't make my monopoly any more weaker or stronger, just less valuable.

Dafuq is a dishonest company? Unless you're going into corporate personhood territory that made up term makes no sense especially when you consider what he associates with them. The opposite must be an honest company and that also makes no sense. The words good and bad were available to him, why not just use those? "Toxic to consumers" = "Very bad to consumers". Keep it simple stupid.

"I absolutely refuse to upgrade" What a rebel.

His proposed solutions are shit. "Support Steam Company cuz they good! Pirate from Bad Company cuz they bad! These are the only 2 solutions to stopping ??? as a service!!!". Guy can't see past 3 feet.
Yes, he spent half the video bitching about business practices many would be unfond of but his concluding statement was empty of a strong thought. It came down to Steam vs Epic and neither own a monopoly on PC Digial Game Storefronts.
Adobe (doesn't have a monopoly on video software) still got his money/support/wallet vote for 5.5 (alledgedly) and yet still went SaaS. His own advice is useless. Guy is an idiot is what I'm saying here.
 
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