What is the point of these vaccine passports?

gaijinkaiju

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I genuinely do not understand the point of the vaccine passports being rolled out, not just here but seemingly everywhere.
What is the point of them?
Why do I suddenly need to prove my vaccine status? How is that supposed to protect you and me from covid, especially since you can still catch and spread it regardless of being vaxxed or not?
The tracker app, I understood since it was away to monitor the spread. But how do these do anything to prevent covid?
All its doing is giving everyone a false sense of safety and creating a two-tier society.
But remember guys, the vaccine is not mandatory. No-one is forcing you to get it. But you can't get your passport unless you have both shots. And you can't access a growing list of businesses if you don't have your passport. And you won't be able to work without it either.
But it's totally not mandatory
 

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Why do I suddenly need to prove my vaccine status? How is that supposed to protect you and me from covid, especially since you can still catch and spread it regardless of being vaxxed or not?
Because it's supposed to be "lesser"
If you get sick, it's a "lesser" kind of sick.
You can still spread it, but the chances are lower.

You're not completely safe or protected, you're just more safe than before.

That's what they say, anyway.
 

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Because vaccines should be mandatory, but nobody has the guts to put that into action. When I was a kid we never got a say in getting vaccines, they just lined us all up and jabbed us in the arm one after another, I have no idea where this resistance against vaccines comes from because it seems like it just didn't exist 30 years ago.
 

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Because vaccines should be mandatory, but nobody has the guts to put that into action. When I was a kid we never got a say in getting vaccines, they just lined us all up and jabbed us in the arm one after another, I have no idea where this resistance against vaccines comes from because it seems like it just didn't exist 30 years ago.
Vaccines should never be mandatory. Period.
I have absolutely zero issue with vaccines, I have issues with them being forced on us.
The resistance is coming because our rights are being trampled and our "freedoms" taken away for zero reason.
 

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When I was a kid we never got a say in getting vaccines, they just lined us all up and jabbed us in the arm one after another, I have no idea where this resistance against vaccines comes from because it seems like it just didn't exist 30 years ago.
When you were a kid, the vaccines you took were older by you. These are the first "vaccines" we've ever seen that were created within our life-time, within a year, even. They're new, and new things are scary. They weren't even willing to wait for FDA approval, or Phase III testing before they started telling us to put it in our bodies. What about the long-term testing? How can we be sure there aren't side-effects that'll become devastatingly apparent in 5, or 10 years?

We don't need to ask these questions about the vaccines we took as children. The previous generations have tested them for a far longer period of time.

And then there's distrust of the government.
And then there's distrust of the media.

So when those things join hands and tell us to do something for our own good, of course people are going to be suspicious.
 

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Vaccines should never be mandatory. Period.
I have absolutely zero issue with vaccines, I have issues with them being forced on us.
The resistance is coming because our rights are being trampled and our "freedoms" taken away for zero reason.
Your freedom only extends so far as it will infringe on the freedoms of others. To be unvaccinated to a dangerous disease puts everybody around you at risk and the risk reduces their freedom to live life in a pre-covid fashion. If everybody would just get vaccinated we'd have been done with covid months ago. We're only lucky that covid isn't as deadly as it could be. It's a nice warm up to get some practices and legislation in place so if/when a really deadly virus pops up it doesn't lead to an extinction event.
 

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our freedom only extends so far as it will infringe on the freedoms of others. To be unvaccinated to a dangerous disease puts everybody around you at risk and the risk reduces their freedom to live life in a pre-covid fashion.
Say that in 2010, an immuno-compromised elderly person walks into a grocery store. The common cold can kill him. The seasonal flu can kill him. Common bacteria found in soil could kill him.

Must everyone else leave the store so that we're not risking his life, and infringing on HIS freedoms?

No, that's absurd. Surely you recognize that HE is the one putting HIMSELF at risk, and that if he wants to keep healthy, it's up to him to take precautions, not everyone else. That's how it has worked all this time for everything else, except for the public school system, because children are germ factories.
 

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Say that in 2010, an immuno-compromised elderly person walks into a grocery store. The common cold can kill him. The seasonal flu can kill him. Common bacteria found in soil could kill him.

Must everyone else leave the store so that we're not risking his life, and infringing on HIS freedoms?

No, that's absurd. Surely you recognize that HE is the one putting HIMSELF at risk, and that if he wants to keep healthy, it's up to him to take precautions, not everyone else. That's how it has worked all this time for everything else, except for the public school system, because children are germ factories.
Obviously two different cases, the immuno-compromised person is a special minority case, also we don't have the capability of wiping out the common cold. There comes a point where someone's needs are so specific that only they can adequately protect themselves. I would be in favour of keeping the mask mandate post covid, though. I haven't been sick for almost two years since the pandemic started and, personally, I don't miss it.

It's in our power to wipe out covid like vaccines have been used to wipe out many diseases before like small pox, if only everybody would work together, but without 100% compliance you can't reduce the numbers of infected enough to prevent breakthrough infections of people already vaccinated and the cycle of infection, mutation, and reinfection just keeps dragging on.
 

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Obviously two different cases, the immuno-compromised person is a special minority case
Rights and freedoms apply to all citizens equally. The underlying principle should be the same whether you're a minority or not. Neither the elderly nor the young get special rights. Neither the healthy nor the infirm get special freedoms.

We all have the same freedom to either avoid disease, or endanger ourselves.
We all have the same freedom to risk our own lives or not.
We all have the same freedom to bodily autonomy.

As soon as you start making exceptions and give up liberties in the name of security because there's an emergency, governments will create emergencies as an excuse to gain more power. That's how you get the Patriot Act all over again. It will never be just temporary.

There comes a point where someone's needs are so specific that only they can adequately protect themselves.
The fearful vaccinated should protect themselves by opting-in to the restricted sort of life that they would wish to force upon the unvaccinated. No entry into stores, gyms, or events. They should quit their jobs, and seek 100% remote work. Wear a mask everywhere. Self-isolate. Social distance. If that's what they say will keep them healthy, then by all means, they should be doing those things for as long as they feel scared.

if only everybody would work together
I agree, that would be great. Too bad the government and the media lie to the people on a daily basis and actively sow dissent.
 
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