Star Wars Ep. 8 Makes Massive Bank in Physical Layout Sales

[Arnox]

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-Ep-VIII-The-Last-Jedi#tab=summary

This isn't including digital sales either. Eat that, Episode 8 haters. Holy fuck, I'm so sick of the bullshit that people keep unfairly heaping onto this movie. I'm a HUGE entertainment cynic, and when I of all people say that I liked it, you know that means something. In fact, the second time I saw it, I liked it even MORE, so yeah. Haters gonna be hatin'.

 

[Monoochrom]

Dude, like it if you wish, it still wasn't a good Star Wars Movie and especially fails as the middle part of a trilogy.

 

[Arnox]

Dude, like it if you wish, it still wasn't a good Star Wars Movie and especially fails as the middle part of a trilogy.

Fucking fight me. It was a great Star Wars film. Note that it wasn't a PERFECT film, but then, what film is? Besides maybe Lord of the Rings.

Having said that though, if you were never a fan of Star Wars, you're excused actually. If you never liked Star Wars, fair enough and this new trilogy probably isn't gonna do it for you either.

 

[Monoochrom]

Go for it. I haven't watched itin a while, but my main problems could be boiled down to

- Nothing much happens and we have no set up for the next movie. TFA and TLJ ultimately accomplish little more then returning things to the status quo of ANH.

- Rey sucks. She just DOES stuff. No real explanation to any of.it. Something something connection to Kylo something something.

- Rose sucks. Apart from being the obvious "Oh shit, we forgot the Asian in our Diversity cataloge" she is entirely pointless, They go on a Mission that they fail, making it pointless They get captured by the First Order (which I'm sure will just be the Empire come next Movie) and then immediantly escape, making their capture pointless, in fact, that situation happens twice. Then Finn tries to save the Resistance by sacrificing herself, only for Rose to plow.into him to stop him...making him trying in the first place pointless...not to.mention the the Resistance just doesn't bother with them at all, they could have blasted them to Helk, but for no reason at all they apparently just watched Finn slowly drag Rose several hundred feet back to the Base.

- Finn, by being paired up with Rose, goes the same utterly pointless route and weirdly learns the same thing he learned.in the previous Movie. Also, he's apparently managed to become a Resistance Hero in the Hours between TFA and TLJ. News sure does move fast amoung the lower Ranks of a Resistance that is currently being systematically destriyed...you'd think there wouldn't be time to tell of the Adventures, opps, ADVENTURE of Finn.

- Poe gets a larger Role in which he gets to be angry at.the annoying purple haired lady. The Movie also conviently Handwaves that his insubordination is the only thing that gave a chance at all considering the First Order would have simply made.them go boom after that failed Lightspeed escape.

- Luke died...because of reasons I suppose? The Force is supposed to be beyond the physical, but I guess Luke just forced so hard that he died, because that's a thing now.

- Leia flys through space...seriously, whether you.liked the Movie or not, that was some of the dumbest shit ever.

- Everything setup by TFA is either invalidated or ignored (What Knights of Ren?) by TLJ. TLJ then proceeds to set up pretty much fucking nothing despite how the next Movie is supposed to conclude what is now a aimless Trilogy. And if the Rumors are true that the.next Movie will involve Kylo and Rey Force-Fucking and having a Child....god so dumb...soooo fucking.dumb.

So, it was a watchible Popcorn flick with some awesome set pieces, but in terms of the story it some of the dumbeat shit ever Arnox.

 

[bluegate]

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-Ep-VIII-The-Last-Jedi#tab=summary

This isn't including digital sales either. Eat that, Episode 8 haters. Holy fuck, I'm so sick of the bullshit that people keep unfairly heaping onto this movie. I'm a HUGE entertainment cynic, and when I of all people say that I liked it, you know that means something. In fact, the second time I saw it, I liked it even MORE, so yeah. Haters gonna be hatin'.

Primarily that you've got questionable taste in movies.

 

[Signa]

Dude, like it if you wish, it still wasn't a good Star Wars Movie and especially fails as the middle part of a trilogy.

Fucking fight me. It was a great Star Wars film. Note that it wasn't a PERFECT film, but then, what film is? Besides maybe Lord of the Rings.

Having said that though, if you were never a fan of Star Wars, you're excused actually. If you never liked Star Wars, fair enough and this new trilogy probably isn't gonna do it for you either.

I literally just lost all respect for you.

It took Mauler 5 fucking hours on Youtube to go through everything that is wrong with this film. I wouldn't even know where to start to summarize, though Monochrome did a pretty decent job. Mauler's review was pre-DVD release, so most of his footage is unrelated, so you can listen to it while playing something else. I suggest you do, because Mauler is being somewhat heralded as the Red Letter Media review for Episode 8. RLM made their video on it recently too, so you should watch that as well.

Ok, you can have your respect back now, but don't think you deserve it!!

Edit: Waaaait, are you trolling us? How the hell are these numbers any good?

Spoiler

 

[Arnox]

in terms of the story it some of the dumbeat shit ever Arnox.

Primarily that you've got questionable taste in movies.

Go for it. I haven't watched itin a while, but my main problems could be boiled down to

- Nothing much happens and we have no set up for the next movie. TFA and TLJ ultimately accomplish little more then returning things to the status quo of ANH.

- Rey sucks. She just DOES stuff. No real explanation to any of.it. Something something connection to Kylo something something.

- Rose sucks. Apart from being the obvious "Oh shit, we forgot the Asian in our Diversity cataloge" she is entirely pointless, They go on a Mission that they fail, making it pointless They get captured by the First Order (which I'm sure will just be the Empire come next Movie) and then immediantly escape, making their capture pointless, in fact, that situation happens twice. Then Finn tries to save the Resistance by sacrificing herself, only for Rose to plow.into him to stop him...making him trying in the first place pointless...not to.mention the the Resistance just doesn't bother with them at all, they could have blasted them to Helk, but for no reason at all they apparently just watched Finn slowly drag Rose several hundred feet back to the Base.

- Finn, by being paired up with Rose, goes the same utterly pointless route and weirdly learns the same thing he learned.in the previous Movie. Also, he's apparently managed to become a Resistance Hero in the Hours between TFA and TLJ. News sure does move fast amoung the lower Ranks of a Resistance that is currently being systematically destriyed...you'd think there wouldn't be time to tell of the Adventures, opps, ADVENTURE of Finn.

- Poe gets a larger Role in which he gets to be angry at.the annoying purple haired lady. The Movie also conviently Handwaves that his insubordination is the only thing that gave a chance at all considering the First Order would have simply made.them go boom after that failed Lightspeed escape.

- Luke died...because of reasons I suppose? The Force is supposed to be beyond the physical, but I guess Luke just forced so hard that he died, because that's a thing now.

- Leia flys through space...seriously, whether you.liked the Movie or not, that was some of the dumbest shit ever.

- Everything setup by TFA is either invalidated or ignored (What Knights of Ren?) by TLJ. TLJ then proceeds to set up pretty much fucking nothing despite how the next Movie is supposed to conclude what is now a aimless Trilogy. And if the Rumors are true that the.next Movie will involve Kylo and Rey Force-Fucking and having a Child....god so dumb...soooo fucking.dumb.

Oh boy. Here we go. I'm gonna enjoy pulling this horseshit apart.

1. Nothing happens? Are you fucking serious? NOTHING HAPPENS? They brought back Luke. They reestablished the resistance. Rey learns of her parents finally. Rey learns about Kylo's apprenticeship. Phasma gets stomped. Snoke gets stomped. Kylo takes over as emperor. And Luke dies. That's an awful big list for nothing happening and no setup!

2. So was C-3P0 and R2-D2 in original trilogy (OT from here on out) but I don't hear any fucking complaints about that. But putting that aside, actually Rose DID have a point. She was there to be a sample of the rebel resistance main force and was there in part to establish why it was important. And finally, she supported Finn and gave him even more of a reason to fight instead of running away. In simple terms, she was the "idealist" of the crew. And no one knows if Finn really would have succeeded in ramming his ship, but from all factors, it LITERALLY looked like, if it received even a second more of punishment, it would have just blown up and Finn would have died for nothing. Hence why Rose smacked him out of the way. And they don't shoot Finn while he's making his suicide run because they were focusing on other things and probably also though that the big ass beam was gonna blow up the little ship anyway. Because it was a rickety piece of shit. And when Rose rammed Finn and Finn was dragging Rose to safety, the Order definitely didn't give two fucks because they weren't even worth a shot at that point. They had an entire rebel base to crush. Why would they care about two desperate retreating stragglers, one of them even looking dead already?

3. In this day and age of the internet, you're gonna nitpick and complain about how fast word of mouth spreads? Furthermore, Finn's story probably spread so fast BECAUSE the rebels were getting destroyed. Because it was a glimmer of hope that they desperately needed. Was it entirely rational? No. But do humans act rational 100% of the time? Fuck no. Because we're not robots. And while I would agree that the main reason for the sidetrip was a bit contrived, it also had a big point to it and we got another entertaining character out of it, so I'm not gonna complain too much.

4. Actually, all Poe's insubordination did in the end was almost getting Finn and Rose killed. Had Phasma been impatient that day and just killed them with Blaster fire, that definitely would have been it for them. So no.

5. Gee. Kind of like how Obiwan died in A New Hope because of... Reasons.

6. Leia propels herself through space to get to the airlock door. So fucking what? Don't make me point out the dumbass Ewoks in RotJ. Next.

7. Guess what, brah? J.J. Abrams has completely admitted that there was no real set-in-stone plan after TFA was made because they wanted to make everything as open to the next writer as possible. Another thing is, Rian Johnson already had talks with JJ before he wrote his own script. And here's another thing too. Carrie Fisher (and probably more) worked on the script right along with Rian Johnson, so not only are you guys shitting on Rian Johnson's writing and vision, you're also shitting on the writing of one of your so-called Star Wars heroes too. And as to setup, it sets up a new resistance. It sets up Rey and Kylo's final rivalry. It sets up Rey being the next teacher of the Jedi ways or at least a hybrid of them (probable). And it sets up the codebreaker appearing later on. And the very end hints clearly that the next film, like RotJ, will take place some years from now. So there will be some vagueness in the ending, yes.

Also, that rumor makes no fucking sense whatsoever. You believe that shit? Rey has already chosen what side she's gonna be on! She ain't gonna be touching Kylo at all unless it involves strangling him.

Edit: Waaaait, are you trolling us? How the hell are these numbers any good?

And what the hell is this shit? TLJ didn't even COME OUT IN THEATERS till December 2017.

 

[Signa]

Edit: Waaaait, are you trolling us? How the hell are these numbers any good?

And what the hell is this shit? TLJ didn't even COME OUT IN THEATERS till December 2017.

Oh? Those are the wrong numbers? Then tell me what are the right numbers? I got it from your site you linked.

 

[Arnox]

Oh? Those are the wrong numbers? Then tell me what are the right numbers? I got it from your site you linked.

Just click the "Details" link next to the Estimated DVD or Estimated Blu-ray sales.

 

[Signa]

Oh? Those are the wrong numbers? Then tell me what are the right numbers? I got it from your site you linked.

Just click the "Details" link next to the Estimated DVD or Estimated Blu-ray sales.

Oh, you mean these numbers. Boy I was way off.

Spoiler

Oh, look at that, they are about half what I posted before... Hmm, where did I get those other numbers from? These are very disappointing by comparison.

OH, right. I got them from this page.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-Ep-VII-The-Force-Awakens#tab=video-sales
For the record, yes I'm actually the one trolling you.

 

[Arnox]

Just click the "Details" link next to the Estimated DVD or Estimated Blu-ray sales.

Oh, you mean these numbers. Boy I was way off.

Spoiler

Oh, look at that, they are about half what I posted before... Hmm, where did I get those other numbers from? These are very disappointing by comparison.

OH, right. I got them from this page.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-Ep-VII-The-Force-Awakens#tab=video-sales
For the record, yes I'm actually the one trolling you.

There is something interesting here I didn't notice though. Total sales during week 17 (latest week currently) of The Last Jedi physical release are about half that of The Force Awakens. So it looks like everyone who liked TFA was split right down the middle when TLJ came out.

Either way though, that's definitely a far cry from being a flop and definitely evidence that a huge chunk of people still like the movie.

 

[Signa]

Oh, you mean these numbers. Boy I was way off.

Spoiler

Oh, look at that, they are about half what I posted before... Hmm, where did I get those other numbers from? These are very disappointing by comparison.

OH, right. I got them from this page.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-Ep-VII-The-Force-Awakens#tab=video-sales
For the record, yes I'm actually the one trolling you.

There is something interesting here I didn't notice though. Total sales during week 17 (latest week currently) of The Last Jedi physical release are about half that of The Force Awakens. So it looks like everyone who liked TFA was split right down the middle when TLJ came out.

Either way though, that's definitely a far cry from being a flop and definitely evidence that a huge chunk of people still like the movie.

In a vacuum. yes. TLJ numbers aren't the worst, but for a Starwars movie. they suck. They are canceling no less than 5 movies after the fallout from TLJ hit, and some people are losing their jobs over it.

 

[Arnox]

In a vacuum. yes. TLJ numbers aren't the worst, but for a Starwars movie. they suck. They are canceling no less than 5 movies after the fallout from TLJ hit, and some people are losing their jobs over it.

Well, even if it COMPLETELY flopped and it made zero money, I'd still defend it. Because it's a good movie.

 

[Signa]

it's a good movie.

You're going to have to address some concerns if you're going to make a claim like that.

• Do you defend the blatantly anti-capitalism messages they shoved in?
• What about the anti-male sentiments where no male characters are allowed agency and get their hands slapped if they take the initiative.?
• Was Star Wars a good place to have a message about animal abuse?
• What about the mechanics fictional space combat being completely subverted into irrelevancy because of FTL travel being weaponized?
• Do you think future episodes will be improved by making fuel a consideration, considering we've had 7 other episodes go by without so much as a word of dialogue about it, and the closest we ever got was a three-quarter-second shot of a guy pulling a hose from a X-Wing in Episode 4?
• What of the hero's journey? Stories like the original trilogy and the entirety of Harry Potter exemplify the best a person can rise to to fight the ultimate evil. How has Rey or any other character risen? Where are their faults and failures?
• Speaking of the ultimate evil, how does Kylo exemplify that evil now that Snoke is out of the way. Can there be a greater evil in this story than Snoke?

When I saw the movie, I left the theater feeling like I had fun, but I knew something was wrong. These are all very fundamental aspects of storytelling that TLJ failed on. Those flaws were able to bubble up to the surface after a while for me to figure out why it wasn't a good movie. I even avoided hearing other people's takes on the film until I had worked it out myself. Strangely, if you want to hear what I felt word for word, go watch Pewdiepie's take on it. He basically came to the exact conclusions I did by myself.

 

[Arnox]

• Do you defend the blatantly anti-capitalism messages they shoved in?
• What about the anti-male sentiments where no male characters are allowed agency and get their hands slapped if they take the initiative.?
• Was Star Wars a good place to have a message about animal abuse?
• What about the mechanics fictional space combat being completely subverted into irrelevancy because of FTL travel being weaponized?
• Do you think future episodes will be improved by making fuel a consideration, considering we've had 7 other episodes go by without so much as a word of dialogue about it, and the closest we ever got was a three-quarter-second shot of a guy pulling a hose from a X-Wing in Episode 4?
• What of the hero's journey? Stories like the original trilogy and the entirety of Harry Potter exemplify the best a person can rise to to fight the ultimate evil. How has Rey or any other character risen? Where are their faults and failures?
• Speaking of the ultimate evil, how does Kylo exemplify that evil now that Snoke is out of the way. Can there be a greater evil in this story than Snoke?

Using List BBCode like a boss I see. Anyway,

1. There's no "anti-capitalism" message. If there's any message like that, it's an overall "Don't join." Although this was later countered in the movie so it's moot.
2. Like Yoda who has no agency or Luke who saves the base? Or how about Rose who ALSO gets her hand slapped?
3. There's no "animal abuse" message. The message there is don't be dick.
4. Implying there were ANY actual set-in-stone rules about space combat or FTL weaponizing. There's a lot of possible explanations though why light speed weaponization isn't always viable. In terms of the rebel forces, it's because they had shit for resources and hyperdrives aren't exactly cheap.
5. Maybe? It's not something I consider essential to address at all.
6. Why do we have to stick to the Hero's Journey? Why do we have to follow in lockstep with it?
7. Kylo's taken over Snoke's job as the big bad right now. Nothing more to it until at least the next movie.

You wanna know what the REAL message of Episode 8 was? It was about the past and the future. The old and the new, and how we should handle those. That's what the damn movie was about, and everyone apparently totally missed that and instead decided the movie HAD to be pushing some political message.

We shouldn't fight what we hate. We should save what we love. And THEN there's Yoda who flat out say that we should learn from the mistakes of the past and pass on what we've learned. Again though, everyone ignored and went on their stupid little fucking rants about feminism and the oh-so-perfect original trilogy.

 

[Signa]

• Do you defend the blatantly anti-capitalism messages they shoved in?
• What about the anti-male sentiments where no male characters are allowed agency and get their hands slapped if they take the initiative.?
• Was Star Wars a good place to have a message about animal abuse?
• What about the mechanics fictional space combat being completely subverted into irrelevancy because of FTL travel being weaponized?
• Do you think future episodes will be improved by making fuel a consideration, considering we've had 7 other episodes go by without so much as a word of dialogue about it, and the closest we ever got was a three-quarter-second shot of a guy pulling a hose from a X-Wing in Episode 4?
• What of the hero's journey? Stories like the original trilogy and the entirety of Harry Potter exemplify the best a person can rise to to fight the ultimate evil. How has Rey or any other character risen? Where are their faults and failures?
• Speaking of the ultimate evil, how does Kylo exemplify that evil now that Snoke is out of the way. Can there be a greater evil in this story than Snoke?

Using List BBCode like a boss I see. Anyway,

1. There's no "anti-capitalism" message. If there's any message like that, it's an overall "Don't join." Although this was later countered in the movie so it's moot.
2. Like Yoda who has no agency or Luke who saves the base? Or how about Rose who ALSO gets her hand slapped?
3. There's no "animal abuse" message. The message there is don't be dick.
4. Implying there were ANY actual set-in-stone rules about space combat or FTL weaponizing. There's a lot of possible explanations though why light speed weaponization isn't always viable. In terms of the rebel forces, it's because they had shit for resources and hyperdrives aren't exactly cheap.
5. Maybe? It's not something I consider essential to address at all.
6. Why do we have to stick to the Hero's Journey? Why do we have to follow in lockstep with it?
7. Kylo's taken over Snoke's job as the big bad right now. Nothing more to it until at least the next movie.

You wanna know what the REAL message of Episode 8 was? It was about the past and the future. The old and the new, and how we should handle those. That's what the damn movie was about, and everyone apparently totally missed that and instead decided the movie HAD to be pushing some political message.

We shouldn't fight what we hate. We should save what we love. And THEN there's Yoda who flat out say that we should learn from the mistakes of the past and pass on what we've learned. Again though, everyone ignored and went on their stupid little fucking rants about feminism and the oh-so-perfect original trilogy.

If that reply is good enough for you, then so be it, but I was hoping you'd put some effort into the reply and try to change my mind. Almost all of it was just handwaving away things I considered problems or writing the story for the writers. That's not your job (a counterpoint I'm taking from the mauler videos, so credit where its due) and you can use arguments on those lines forever and not really lose, because you're staying in purely hypothetical territory. Story telling is supposed to have a structure and you should only break from it if you're certain the conventional methods are not needed (see pulp fiction). Starwars needs convention, beciase the audience will be lost in the infinite of space without an anchor to ground them.

 

[Houseman]

I never saw TLJ, because an annual Star Wars got old after "Rogue One". Never saw Solo either. Maybe I'll see if it it comes to Netflix.


Oh wait, it is on Netflix.
Eh.