Sanctuary Update - 2/4/2019

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Changes:
- Changed the name of the "Main Forums" category to "Gaming".
- Moved the "Spurious Generalities" and "Flesh Art" forums to the "Other" category.
- Moved the "Forum Games" sub-forum to the "Gaming" category.
- Transferred all threads in forums from the "Main Forums" category (now "Gaming") to the "Spurious Generalities" forum save for the "Flesh Art" and "Forum Games" sub-forum

Removals:
- Removed the "Entertainment", "Carnality", "Science", "Society", "World News", and "Nature" forums.

Additions:
- Added the "PC/Mac", "Consoles", "Generalized", and "Tabletop" forums to the "Gaming" category.
 
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Where do I go if I want to talk about gaming, but not something specific to PC or Console? Where do multi-platform gaming discussions go? Under "Other"?

Also, where are the Society forums? Where do R&P discussions go?
 

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Where do I go if I want to talk about gaming, but not something specific to PC or Console? Where do multi-platform gaming discussions go? Under "Other"?
Good question. I'll add a new sub-forum.

Also, where are the Society forums? Where do R&P discussions go?
Oh right. Society and World News are deleted too. And put them in Spurious Generalities.

EDIT: Done. Also merged the emulation forum into the other gaming forums and renamed the gaming forums.
 
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Oh right. Society and World News are deleted too. And put them in Spurious Generalities.
I've never been a fan of too many different topics having to "compete" with other interest groups for space on the "front page". If, say, religion and politics are grouped, then religion loses, and their topics are quickly pushed down, since less people want to talk about religion than politics. That happened at The Escapist. It's the law of the bigger fish.

The way to solve that problem is to keep the fish (interests) in separate tanks (forums) so that one doesn't eat the other. That's how Gamefaqs does it. They have a forum for every single game that ever existed, plus specific forums for news, religion, politics, countries, anime, board games, technology, programming, stand-up comedy, real-life sports, etc. They have over 60,000 different boards, and now they have user-created boards growing that number.

I don't think the gamefaqs theory of "You can never have too many boards" is unsound. You just have to organize them well, or at least make them searchable.

Of course, none of what I said matters at this current moment, as we don't have the usercount to justify more than a few categories, but I like to test theories by envisioning what happens when you stretch it to extremes. I don't think this current theory of yours will hold up at scale, but it's your choice as to whether or not you'll burn that bridge when you get to it.
 

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I've never been a fan of too many different topics having to "compete" with other interest groups for space on the "front page". If, say, religion and politics are grouped, then religion loses, and their topics are quickly pushed down, since less people want to talk about religion than politics. That happened at The Escapist. It's the law of the bigger fish.

The way to solve that problem is to keep the fish (interests) in separate tanks (forums) so that one doesn't eat the other. That's how Gamefaqs does it. They have a forum for every single game that ever existed, plus specific forums for news, religion, politics, countries, anime, board games, technology, programming, stand-up comedy, real-life sports, etc. They have over 60,000 different boards, and now they have user-created boards growing that number.

I don't think the gamefaqs theory of "You can never have too many boards" is unsound. You just have to organize them well, or at least make them searchable.

Of course, none of what I said matters at this current moment, as we don't have the usercount to justify more than a few categories, but I like to test theories by envisioning what happens when you stretch it to extremes. I don't think this current theory of yours will hold up at scale, but it's your choice as to whether or not you'll burn that bridge when you get to it.
As you say, we just don't have the user count to justify a bunch of boards. If we did, I'd actually restore the default TOTSE style board layout. Having said that, this current layout is definitely not set in stone and we'll definitely add more as needed as we get more and more active.
 

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If the objective with this design is to attract new visitors, instead of creating a lasting design that scales, is this layout enticing to them? Will visitors look at the boards and say "not enough sub-forums, not worth it"? If they don't leave initially, will they be put off by the growing number of sub-forums that divide the topics they might be interested in and 'split the community'?

Or should we "dress for the job we want", essentially?

Just questions to think about.
 

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If the objective with this design is to attract new visitors, instead of creating a lasting design that scales, is this layout enticing to them? Will visitors look at the boards and say "not enough sub-forums, not worth it"? If they don't leave initially, will they be put off by the growing number of sub-forums that divide the topics they might be interested in and 'split the community'?

Or should we "dress for the job we want", essentially?

Just questions to think about.
Ultimately, we have to come to terms with a hard truth. That no matter how good this forum is, unless we make content to attract people to come here, they're not going to do so. Period. We have to give them a good excuse to come. Once enough people are here though, then we can really start spreading out, but until then, we have to specialize in something. I wish it wasn't like that but it is...
 

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The way to solve that problem is
To have a tag system, with the nomenclature being free-to-choose/self-enforced by users.

Some forums use a single title prefix, but tags are just better in general. I think I saw a XenForo with tags once, but I don't know if that functionality is native and defaults to disabled or needs an add-on.
 

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To have a tag system, with the nomenclature being free-to-choose/self-enforced by users.

Some forums use a single title prefix, but tags are just better in general. I think I saw a XenForo with tags once, but I don't know if that functionality is native and defaults to disabled or needs an add-on.
Tags are definitely available, but what happens often is people using joke tags or no tags at all. Also, while preset thread title prefixes definitely work, using forums to organize threads is still generally the best way to go. Also keep in mind, we have some VERY awesome native searching tools.
 
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