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[infinityshock]

some cheerful news to start out the day

dumb nigger was made room-temperature after he entered a convenience store in Orange brandishing what appeared to be a real gun and demanded money

https://www.12newsnow.com/article/news/crime/convenience-store-clerk-fatally-shoots-suspect-wielding-toy-gun-during-robbery-in-orange/502-563139185

 

[Arnox]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

Not sure I agree with pulling and firing a gun for a simple gas-station robbery. Especially since it wasn't really the clerk's money. If it was the clerk's house though, very different story. Fire away in that case.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

Not sure I agree with pulling and firing a gun for a simple gas-station robbery. Especially since it wasn't really the clerk's money. If it was the clerk's house though, very different story. Fire away in that case.

thats why youre a half-rate one-horse website admin and not in a courthouse somewhere writing constitutional law.

since your an idiot ill break this down into the lowest common denominator: when someone presents a weapon in a threatening manner there is no plausible means to determine what the weapons-presenter (hereafter known as the 'attacker) has for an intention. the attacker could as readily kill everyone in sight regardless of the compliance of the victim as he could have a fake toy and be prepared to shout 'lulz, gaiz, jus' joshin' '

that being the case the law gives the benefit of the doubt to the individual defending themselves (and others) in the 'reasonable' reaction they take.

your idiotic point of view is more in line with how the brits view things. you should move there.

pop quiz. what do you call an animal that wont defend itself.

lunch.

 

[Arnox]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

when someone presents a weapon in a threatening manner there is no plausible means to determine what the weapons-presenter (hereafter known as the 'attacker) has for an intention. the attacker could as readily kill everyone in sight regardless of the compliance of the victim as he could have a fake toy and be prepared to shout 'lulz, gaiz, jus' joshin' '

This is true. However, killing someone is killing someone. To quote Far Cry 2 roughly, people think that there's a right way to kill someone. That in some cases, it's not all a horrible act, but it is. It always is. It may have been that killing someone would yield the least horrible consequences, absolutely. But it's still an awful thing. We should at least acknowledge that before we go around whipping our guns out for every single offense.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

when someone presents a weapon in a threatening manner there is no plausible means to determine what the weapons-presenter (hereafter known as the 'attacker) has for an intention. the attacker could as readily kill everyone in sight regardless of the compliance of the victim as he could have a fake toy and be prepared to shout 'lulz, gaiz, jus' joshin' '

This is true. However, killing someone is killing someone. To quote Far Cry 2 roughly, people think that there's a right way to kill someone. That in some cases, it's not all a horrible act, but it is. It always is. It may have been that killing someone would yield the least horrible consequences, absolutely. But it's still an awful thing. We should at least acknowledge that before we go around whipping our guns out for every single offense.

jesus fuck...you just used a video game reference in response to a real-life event involving death. you need to find a nice quiet corner to keep company to think long and hard about that. regardless of you having zero knowledge of the real world...much less normal human interaction...that was still a full-kroz fucktarded thing to do.

even after i plainly describe the legally defined descriptive of justifiable homicide you still want to rant on about irrelevancies.

no. its not an awful thing. firstly, a dead nigger is always a good thing. secondly, the nigger had a weapon that could just as well have been a firearm and was using it in a threatening manner. the response of shooting the nigger dead was nowhere near your goal-post of 'whipping our guns out for every single offense.' this is literally the purpose of self defense.

when someone uses the threat of committing murder while engaged in an illegal act...against someone engaged in lawful activity...they officially give up the right to life.

 

[Arnox]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

even after i plainly describe the legally defined descriptive of justifiable homicide you still want to rant on about irrelevancies.

no. its not an awful thing. firstly, a dead nigger is always a good thing. secondly, the nigger had a weapon that could just as well have been a firearm and was using it in a threatening manner. the response of shooting the nigger dead was nowhere near your goal-post of 'whipping our guns out for every single offense.' this is literally the purpose of self defense.

when someone uses the threat of committing murder while engaged in an illegal act...against someone engaged in lawful activity...they officially give up the right to life.

I didn't say it wasn't perfectly justifiable. I just said it was an awful thing. You can have something be the right course of action, but still have it be a horrible course.

Regarding this story, it was probably justified. Sorry though if I think twice before I deprive someone of their life, racist views aside.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

even after i plainly describe the legally defined descriptive of justifiable homicide you still want to rant on about irrelevancies.

no. its not an awful thing. firstly, a dead nigger is always a good thing. secondly, the nigger had a weapon that could just as well have been a firearm and was using it in a threatening manner. the response of shooting the nigger dead was nowhere near your goal-post of 'whipping our guns out for every single offense.' this is literally the purpose of self defense.

when someone uses the threat of committing murder while engaged in an illegal act...against someone engaged in lawful activity...they officially give up the right to life.

I didn't say it wasn't perfectly justifiable. I just said it was an awful thing. You can have something be the right course of action, but still have it be a horrible course.

Regarding this story, it was probably justified. Sorry though if I think twice before I deprive someone of their life, racist views aside.

there was nothing awful about it. a repeatedly self-demonstrated criminal has been effectively removed from ever being able to cause harm to another human being again. the shooter should receive an award.

no sane person could possibly misconstrue anything that happened with the death of that vermin as being a 'horrible course.'

no, it wasnt 'probably' justified. the entire course of events was the epitome of the legal definition of justified.

its so adorable how you try to talk about things you have absolutely no clue about. your life perceptions are unfortunately distorted by spending too much time behind a nice safe computer monitor and not enough time out in the sunlight seeing how the real world works.

 

[Signa]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

I was just going to ignore this thread, but it got a little active so I'm going to add my two-cents in. Can we avoid the racial slurs out of the thread titles, in the very least? You are poisoning the well, so to speak. It's hard to have an actual conversation about the issue if you're so incredibly biasing the discussion before we even get a chance to watch your clip.

I also didn't even need to watch the video to know I probably would agree with you in principle about bad actors acting bad, but instead I feel like I need to take up an adversarial position just because of how this all was presented.

 

[Houseman]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

thats why youre a half-rate one-horse website admin and not in a courthouse somewhere writing constitutional law.

I think Arnox was saying that:


Value of a human live > Petty cash in the till.


He didn't say anything about laws

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

I was just going to ignore this thread, but it got a little active so I'm going to add my two-cents in. Can we avoid the racial slurs out of the thread titles, in the very least? You are poisoning the well, so to speak. It's hard to have an actual conversation about the issue if you're so incredibly biasing the discussion before we even get a chance to watch your clip.

I also didn't even need to watch the video to know I probably would agree with you in principle about bad actors acting bad, but instead I feel like I need to take up an adversarial position just because of how this all was presented.

freedom of speech. learn it. live it. love it. or dont...since arnie has absolutely no concept for the term, whatsoever.

from at least ptolemys time the term 'niger' has been used to describe the niggers living in africa. the countries of niger and nigeria...as well as the niger river...are based on the term 'black.' the term nigger...negro...etc...mean nothing more than 'black', which is an obvious descriptive of skin color.

the term 'nigger' and 'negro' are nothing more than the latin derived terms meaning 'black.' obviously blacks are offended by their own blackness since merely calling them what they are incites such feelings of animosity which is based on deep down feelings of self-hatred. after all...they are completely aware of their own inferiority and nothing they can do will change that. they insist on being called 'african' followed by whatever suffix-country theyre afflicting at the time to distance themselves as far as possible from their blackness. whites dont complain about being called white.

the term nigger has been in use for centuries and it has only been since the '60s that the uppity niggers have tried to alter the english language due to their own ignorance. whitey has been understanding and coddling for long enough. the nigger will be called what it is.

remember young grasshopper, judge not on the color of their skin but on the content of their character. and considering the actions of the aforementioned nigger its fairly obvious the content of its character

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

thats why youre a half-rate one-horse website admin and not in a courthouse somewhere writing constitutional law.

I think Arnox was saying that:


Value of a human live > Petty cash in the till.


He didn't say anything about laws

arnox has no idea what he was saying...its no surprise that no one else does either.

for something to have value, that value must be quantifiable. what is the benchmark for what a human life is worth

laws are the benchmark for situations such as this. the lowest common denominator of a 'debate' where the ambiguous morality and religious beliefs dont have to be evoked to drag on something that is so simple and obvious.

 

[Signa]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

I was just going to ignore this thread, but it got a little active so I'm going to add my two-cents in. Can we avoid the racial slurs out of the thread titles, in the very least? You are poisoning the well, so to speak. It's hard to have an actual conversation about the issue if you're so incredibly biasing the discussion before we even get a chance to watch your clip.

I also didn't even need to watch the video to know I probably would agree with you in principle about bad actors acting bad, but instead I feel like I need to take up an adversarial position just because of how this all was presented.

freedom of speech. learn it. live it. love it. or dont...since arnie has absolutely no concept for the term, whatsoever.

Read my comment again. I only said why putting it in the title of the thread was counter productive to your goal for the thread. I never said you weren't allowed to use any word at all.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

freedom of speech. learn it. live it. love it. or dont...since arnie has absolutely no concept for the term, whatsoever.

Read my comment again. I only said why putting it in the title of the thread was counter productive to your goal for the thread. I never said you weren't allowed to use any word at all.

its a slippery slope down the vertical side of a melting glacier between full-on censorship and perceived social propriety.

my goal was to provide information. the information was provided. my goal has been accomplished.

 

[Signa]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

Read my comment again. I only said why putting it in the title of the thread was counter productive to your goal for the thread. I never said you weren't allowed to use any word at all.

its a slippery slope down the vertical side of a melting glacier between full-on censorship and perceived social propriety.

my goal was to provide information. the information was provided. my goal has been accomplished.

By that logic, then you are censoring yourself. Discussion is Also An Exchange Of Information, and by constraining the limits of the discussion, you are censoring all of us, because the topic was no longer about sharing your information.

and before you say it, I'm not accusing you of censorship. I'm saying for speech to be free, all idea need to be welcome and discussed. however, it's counter productive if you do it wrong. You wouldn't listen to someone screaming into a bullhorn even if they are saying things you agree with. They are being so obnoxious you don't even want to talk to them. Being openly racist is the same as being obnoxious.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

even after i plainly describe the legally defined descriptive of justifiable homicide you still want to rant on about irrelevancies.

no. its not an awful thing. firstly, a dead nigger is always a good thing. secondly, the nigger had a weapon that could just as well have been a firearm and was using it in a threatening manner. the response of shooting the nigger dead was nowhere near your goal-post of 'whipping our guns out for every single offense.' this is literally the purpose of self defense.

when someone uses the threat of committing murder while engaged in an illegal act...against someone engaged in lawful activity...they officially give up the right to life.

I didn't say it wasn't perfectly justifiable. I just said it was an awful thing. You can have something be the right course of action, but still have it be a horrible course.

Regarding this story, it was probably justified. Sorry though if I think twice before I deprive someone of their life, racist views aside.

arnie...this is what happens when you think twice before putting down a nigger:

https://kmox.radio.com/articles/teen-arrested-death-woman-killed-front-her-kids

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/he-saw-a-car-he-wanted-and-killed-a-st/article_380446b5-9328-5e6e-ab85-2be5d31786d0.html

An 18-year-old nigger spotted a car he wanted and waited until the owner emerged from her Castle Point home with her three young children Monday morning.

He approached her from behind, announced a robbery and shot her as she turned toward him

i cant wait to hear your bleeding-heart niggerlove justification for this.

he wuz a good boy. he went to church group and was going to go to school on a bakkeball free ride. he dindu nuffins

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

its a slippery slope down the vertical side of a melting glacier between full-on censorship and perceived social propriety.

my goal was to provide information. the information was provided. my goal has been accomplished.

By that logic, then you are censoring yourself. Discussion is Also An Exchange Of Information, and by constraining the limits of the discussion, you are censoring all of us, because the topic was no longer about sharing your information.

and before you say it, I'm not accusing you of censorship. I'm saying for speech to be free, all idea need to be welcome and discussed. however, it's counter productive if you do it wrong. You wouldn't listen to someone screaming into a bullhorn even if they are saying things you agree with. They are being so obnoxious you don't even want to talk to them. Being openly racist is the same as being obnoxious.

you didnt quite grasp the basic premise of that analogy...

im not constraining anything and if there is anything in any of my posts that gives that impression be sure to point it out because i will immediately...if not sooner...cease and desist any and all constraining.

there are times a bullhorn is needed to be heard.

theres no such thing as racism. its a newspeak term meant to incite an emotional response when no plausible realistic response is possible.

fuck arnie...time-delay posting? the fuck is wrong with you.

 

[Houseman]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

for something to have value, that value must be quantifiable. what is the benchmark for what a human life is worth

laws are the benchmark for situations such as this. the lowest common denominator of a 'debate' where the ambiguous morality and religious beliefs dont have to be evoked to drag on something that is so simple and obvious.

Whose laws? America's laws? Cambodia's laws? Saudi Arabia's laws? They all value human life differently. It hasn't even been 100 years since America changed its laws regarding segregation. When the laws changed, did the value of human life change with it? Faith in law is only as good as your faith in a country's government.

That's why people tend to find other ways of quantifying the value of a human life.

 

[Signa]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

By that logic, then you are censoring yourself. Discussion is Also An Exchange Of Information, and by constraining the limits of the discussion, you are censoring all of us, because the topic was no longer about sharing your information.

and before you say it, I'm not accusing you of censorship. I'm saying for speech to be free, all idea need to be welcome and discussed. however, it's counter productive if you do it wrong. You wouldn't listen to someone screaming into a bullhorn even if they are saying things you agree with. They are being so obnoxious you don't even want to talk to them. Being openly racist is the same as being obnoxious.

you didnt quite grasp the basic premise of that analogy...

Your premise being that you start saying to curate your speech leads to a slippery slope of full-on censorship. No, I got your analogy the first time. I'm not suggesting censorship. You keep hearing me say it, but I am not saying it. I'm saying if you want the discussion to stay on topic (IE: talk about some really bad people) then you let your audience view and come to the same conclusion as you. Other wise you get this side discussion where I haven't even bothered to watch your video because I've seen what bad people look like. I'm trying to get you to fit into soceity at large, as well as this forum. You have an audience every time you speak, and unless your audience is the KKK or Stormfront, you're going to get the reaction I'm giving you now. Maybe that's what you want, because you've been a troll the whole time you've been here. But instead of just pre-judging you as unworthy to have a discussion with, I'm engaging you as politely as I can. I hope you will do the same.

im not constraining anything and if there is anything in any of my posts that gives that impression be sure to point it out because i will immediately...if not sooner...cease and desist any and all constraining.

Once again, it has to do with the audience, and how you're saying it. You're not going to go into a church and scream "There is no God," and expect to sway even one person. You CAN stand outside and hand out leaflets with scientific rationales for every miracle Jesus did. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that would change many minds, and certainly not over night, but that seed of questioning and doubt will be there in the mind of those who read it out of curiosity.

there are times a bullhorn is needed to be heard.

Was this one of those times? What state of unrest does it take to require that bullhorn to be heard? There's a line between needing and not needing. Where is it?

theres no such thing as racism. its a newspeak term meant to incite an emotional response when no plausible realistic response is possible.

So I have a very strong emotional reaction to what you said here, but I'm going to just ask simply, if racism did exist, what would constitute it?

fuck arnie...time-delay posting? the fuck is wrong with you.

I'm too lazy to remove this part.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

for something to have value, that value must be quantifiable. what is the benchmark for what a human life is worth

laws are the benchmark for situations such as this. the lowest common denominator of a 'debate' where the ambiguous morality and religious beliefs dont have to be evoked to drag on something that is so simple and obvious.

Whose laws? America's laws? Cambodia's laws? Saudi Arabia's laws? They all value human life differently. It hasn't even been 100 years since America changed its laws regarding segregation. When the laws changed, did the value of human life change with it? Faith in law is only as good as your faith in a country's government.

That's why people tend to find other ways of quantifying the value of a human life.

the same as applies to anything and everything on this planet. the only laws that apply to the situation: the jurisdiction of where the crime took place.

faith in law is irrelevant. all laws are based on one, single premise: the ability to enFORCE them via application of violence.

since youve missed the relevant point, the correct answer to the question 'what is the value of human life' is 'zero.'

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

you didnt quite grasp the basic premise of that analogy...

Your premise being that you start saying to curate your speech leads to a slippery slope of full-on censorship. No, I got your analogy the first time. I'm not suggesting censorship. You keep hearing me say it, but I am not saying it. I'm saying if you want the discussion to stay on topic (IE: talk about some really bad people) then you let your audience view and come to the same conclusion as you. Other wise you get this side discussion where I haven't even bothered to watch your video because I've seen what bad people look like. I'm trying to get you to fit into soceity at large, as well as this forum. You have an audience every time you speak, and unless your audience is the KKK or Stormfront, you're going to get the reaction I'm giving you now. Maybe that's what you want, because you've been a troll the whole time you've been here. But instead of just pre-judging you as unworthy to have a discussion with, I'm engaging you as politely as I can. I hope you will do the same.

im not constraining anything and if there is anything in any of my posts that gives that impression be sure to point it out because i will immediately...if not sooner...cease and desist any and all constraining.

Once again, it has to do with the audience, and how you're saying it. You're not going to go into a church and scream "There is no God," and expect to sway even one person. You CAN stand outside and hand out leaflets with scientific rationales for every miracle Jesus did. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that would change many minds, and certainly not over night, but that seed of questioning and doubt will be there in the mind of those who read it out of curiosity.

there are times a bullhorn is needed to be heard.

Was this one of those times? What state of unrest does it take to require that bullhorn to be heard? There's a line between needing and not needing. Where is it?

theres no such thing as racism. its a newspeak term meant to incite an emotional response when no plausible realistic response is possible.

So I have a very strong emotional reaction to what you said here, but I'm going to just ask simply, if racism did exist, what would constitute it?

fuck arnie...time-delay posting? the fuck is wrong with you.

I'm too lazy to remove this part.

precisely what youre saying is suggesting censorship regardless of you being able to see it. whenever any individual tells/suggests/implies to another individual what terminology should be used, it is censorship. you literally stated such when you said 'im trying to get you to fit into society at large as well as this forum'

you can stop. you have neither the willpower nor the means to have any such influence. worry about yourself.

as i already said...i provide information. if the reader wants it or doesnt want it has no bearing whatsoever on me. my reply will be comensurate with the response directed towards me. for example when arnie thought he was some sort of uppity e-badass and whipped out his floppy little piece of over-cooked spaghetti i promptly bitch-slapped him like the naughty little e-bitch he is before he hurt himself. anyone else desiring the same response has only to ask for it.

no, i wouldnt go into a church. i have no reason to. the church isnt a forum for information exchange nor a source for any information i would have any interest in. its a forum for a bunch of weak-minded sheep to go and bleat to each other about their invisible friends and small boys to lose their virginity to adult penises. which, based on the content of this site, is becoming painfully apparent this place should be renamed 'temple of arnies reprobate damsels full of estrogen and short of testosterone. 'TARDFEST' for short.

again...your application of analogies is horrendous. there is no relation to a bullhorn in this case. there is no one forcing anyone to click a link, much less read anything on this site. as ive said repeatedly, i provide information. it is up to the reader to determine their response...if any...or just fucking ignore it.

if you have a 'very strong emotional reaction' to anything you read online you should consider either self-medicating or simply unplugging your computer. there is literally no possible way anything on the internets could justify such a physiological response. as i already said, racism is not a real word, it is a newspeak term devised to evoke an emotional response when factual responses based in reality arent available. therefore, racism does not exist, can not exist, and that being the case there is no plausible way to describe something that cant possibly exist. if you care to reword the question with terminology based in the real world and not fake-words, feel free to do so

 

[Houseman]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

faith in law is irrelevant. all laws are based on one, single premise: the ability to enFORCE them via application of violence.

Except when there's corruption, and then you get people selectively picking and choosing the laws they want to enforce. That's what I meant when I said that you need to have faith, you need to trust the government and its employees to enforce the laws fairly.

You also have to have faith that the laws benefit the place instead of detract from it. You seem to like the law about freedom of speech. I imagine you'd be willing to join the riot that would ensue if that law were ever taken away. You'd probably also disagree with any law that restricted speech, such as those of other countries.

So the law is not everything.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

faith in law is irrelevant. all laws are based on one, single premise: the ability to enFORCE them via application of violence.

Except when there's corruption, and then you get people selectively picking and choosing the laws they want to enforce. That's what I meant when I said that you need to have faith, you need to trust the government and its employees to enforce the laws fairly.

You also have to have faith that the laws benefit the place instead of detract from it. You seem to like the law about freedom of speech. I imagine you'd be willing to join the riot that would ensue if that law were ever taken away. You'd probably also disagree with any law that restricted speech, such as those of other countries.

So the law is not everything.

your interpretation of law is flawed and wholly incorrect. there is no disputing the fact that the ability to enFORCE a law with the threat or application of violence supersedes any other premise.

ask the 200,000 or so jews from WWII that were sent to ovens how their faith compared to the nazi ability to enFORCE their own will.

your point about corruption only enforces my point.

your point about a riot if freedom of speech were taken away supports my point. the freedom of speech supporters would posses more of the ability to apply violence than the detractors. why do you think theres still a 2nd amendment. americans arent like the sissy australians and UKistanees. try to abolish the 2nd amendment theres going to be elected officials doing really good impressions of christmas tree ornaments.

other countries restricting free speech...you mean like how the kikes have made laws making holohoax denial more of a crime than armed robbery...

 

[Houseman]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

your interpretation of law is flawed and wholly incorrect. there is no disputing the fact that the ability to enFORCE a law with the threat or application of violence supersedes any other premise.

I don't think that point was ever contested.

ask the 200,000 or so jews from WWII that were sent to ovens how their faith compared to the nazi ability to enFORCE their own will.

That's not what I meant when I said faith in law, and I don't see how this is relevant. Having faith in law is to trust the government and its employees to enforce the laws fairly.

your point about corruption only enforces my point.

In that case, I don't know what your point is.

 

[Signa]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

----the point---->.






Your head ---> 0

I didn't say you should go to a church, I'm using it as an example of a group of people that have made their minds up about things you would have a vested interest in seeing less of in the world. It was supposed to be relatable, not something I suggest you do.

Also, you didn't even try to answer some very legitimate questions I had for you. Instead, you think I should medicate for even asking them. Thanks. I'm glad I charitably gave you the benefit of the doubt that you could have a good-faith discussion. Now people are less likely to bother engaging with you, and you're one step closer to getting banned.

 

[infinityshock]

Re: Feral Nigger Gets Put-down for Dindu-nuffins Armed Robbery

your interpretation of law is flawed and wholly incorrect. there is no disputing the fact that the ability to enFORCE a law with the threat or application of violence supersedes any other premise.

I don't think that point was ever contested.

ask the 200,000 or so jews from WWII that were sent to ovens how their faith compared to the nazi ability to enFORCE their own will.

That's not what I meant when I said faith in law, and I don't see how this is relevant. Having faith in law is to trust the government and its employees to enforce the laws fairly.

your point about corruption only enforces my point.

In that case, I don't know what your point is.

having faith in the law is the same degree of fantasy as believing in the tooth fairy or Santa claus. at no point in human history has 'faith' ever been a relevant factor in motivation for any government entity or process.