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[PointlessKnowledge]

While I've not watched Star Trek Discovery (mostly due to Star Treks after DS9 being mediocre at best), I'm happy the hear about the return of one of the 2 best (in my opinion) Captains: Captain Jean-Luc Picard, once again played by Patrick Stewart.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/08/04/patrick-stewart-star-trek-next-generation-new-series/?

I have some hope, as Patrick Stewart is a great actor that can even make weaker material strong (and strong material amazing).

Any one else excited?

Also, because it has been too long:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rYhRqf757I[/youtube]

 

[Arnox]

Topic title is confusing!

How old is Patrick these days anyway?

 

[bluegate]

I think it's nice to see him again, but I'm not too excited about the series itself, I wish it used the Next Generation's format of contained stories per episode.

I'm tired of all the waiting in modern television and cinema, give me the entire story in one go or get the fuck out because I ain't got time to sit around and wait for you to finish the story in subsequent episodes / movies.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

Topic title is confusing!

How old is Patrick these days anyway?

It was a reference to one of Captain Picard's most famous lines.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix0iTvjaBnQ[/youtube]

Also, Patrick Stewart is 78.

 

[Signa]

I think it's nice to see him again, but I'm not too excited about the series itself, I wish it used the Next Generation's format of contained stories per episode.

I'm tired of all the waiting in modern television and cinema, give me the entire story in one go or get the fuck out because I ain't got time to sit around and wait for you to finish the story in subsequent episodes / movies.

I think that's was startreks's weakness after ds9. DS9 had a good blend of the two, but having a serialized story allows cinema to reach levels of story telling only books can provide. On the other hand, I think the serialized format can be wasted on shows that think they are deep when they are not. Battlestar Galactica was a good example of that.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

I think it's nice to see him again, but I'm not too excited about the series itself, I wish it used the Next Generation's format of contained stories per episode.

I'm tired of all the waiting in modern television and cinema, give me the entire story in one go or get the fuck out because I ain't got time to sit around and wait for you to finish the story in subsequent episodes / movies.

I think that's was startreks's weakness after ds9. DS9 had a good blend of the two, but having a serialized story allows cinema to reach levels of story telling only books can provide. On the other hand, I think the serialized format can be wasted on shows that think they are deep when they are not. Battlestar Galactica was a good example of that.

Writing can also be a big aspect. One of Voyagers biggest weaknesses was that they were told that each episode had to be standalone and to not really involve anything from previous episodes (outside of 2-parters of course). The writers on Voyager couldn't even use the show's premise well (trapped so very away from home with no back-up or supplies, with a crew made up of former enemies).

While being so far away from home was a constant point, what should be a constant lack of supplies or a clash of bad blood between the two factions that made up the crew only showed up a handful of times. This was due to the writers being told to make the show as much like TNG as possible (if you look at the episode numbers for Voyager season 1, they start with an 8 as they were to sorta be the continuation of TNG that ended with 7 seasons).

Voyager was not a good show, but if it had been allowed to have some elements of a overarching storyline, it could've much better.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

I think that's was startreks's weakness after ds9. DS9 had a good blend of the two, but having a serialized story allows cinema to reach levels of story telling only books can provide. On the other hand, I think the serialized format can be wasted on shows that think they are deep when they are not. Battlestar Galactica was a good example of that.

Writing can also be a big aspect. One of Voyagers biggest weaknesses was that they were told that each episode had to be standalone and to not really involve anything from previous episodes (outside of 2-parters of course). The writers on Voyager couldn't even use the show's premise well (trapped so very away from home with no back-up or supplies, with a crew made up of former enemies).

While being so far away from home was a constant point, what should be a constant lack of supplies or a clash of bad blood between the two factions that made up the crew only showed up a handful of times. This was due to the writers being told to make the show as much like TNG as possible (if you look at the episode numbers for Voyager season 1, they start with an 8 as they were to sorta be the continuation of TNG that ended with 7 seasons).

Voyager was not a good show, but if it had been allowed to have some elements of a overarching storyline, it could've much better.

I liked Voyager. Best Star Trek show. I would have liked more of the premise to shine through though.
Stranded alone, far away from home. Either lost in space (^^) or on a lifetime journey home.
How they solve supply issues. New wonders. Allies. Enemies. etc.

 

[Signa]

Writing can also be a big aspect. One of Voyagers biggest weaknesses was that they were told that each episode had to be standalone and to not really involve anything from previous episodes (outside of 2-parters of course). The writers on Voyager couldn't even use the show's premise well (trapped so very away from home with no back-up or supplies, with a crew made up of former enemies).

While being so far away from home was a constant point, what should be a constant lack of supplies or a clash of bad blood between the two factions that made up the crew only showed up a handful of times. This was due to the writers being told to make the show as much like TNG as possible (if you look at the episode numbers for Voyager season 1, they start with an 8 as they were to sorta be the continuation of TNG that ended with 7 seasons).

Voyager was not a good show, but if it had been allowed to have some elements of a overarching storyline, it could've much better.

I liked Voyager. Best Star Trek show. I would have liked more of the premise to shine through though.
Stranded alone, far away from home. Either lost in space (^^) or on a lifetime journey home.
How they solve supply issues. New wonders. Allies. Enemies. etc.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the premise too, but they failed to provide anything to support it for 7 years of airing. DS9 was a fantastic deconstruction of what happens to federation ideals when dealing with a ton of races that don't adhere to those ideals. What Voyager could have been was a futile attempt to hold those ideals while trying to survive. Star Trek's utopia only works as a post-scarcity society, and the situation Voyager was in removed the society and returned the scarcity. It could have been great! But no, we get a singing hologram, bromance with harry and Tom, and a captain that does everything wrong and pretends it's the right move every time because it always miraculously works out. 7 of 9 was the only good thing about the show, but that's after they replaced a literal 2 year old that should never have been written into the show. Neelix too, for that matter.

Edit: typo fixes

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

I liked Voyager. Best Star Trek show. I would have liked more of the premise to shine through though.
Stranded alone, far away from home. Either lost in space (^^) or on a lifetime journey home.
How they solve supply issues. New wonders. Allies. Enemies. etc.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the premise too, but they failed to provide anything to support it for 7 years of airing. DS9 was a fantastic deconstruction of what happens to federation ideals when dealing with a ton of races that don't adhere to those ideals. What Voyager could have been was a futile attempt to hold those ideals while trying to survive. Star Trek's utopia only works as a post-scarcity society, and the situation Voyager removed the society and returned the scarcity. It could have been great! But no, we get a singing hologram, bromance with harry and Tom, and a captain that does everything wrong and pretends it's the right move every time because it always miraculously works out. 7 of 9 was the only good thing about the show, but that's after the replaced a literal 2 year old that should never have been written into the show. Neelix too, for that matter.

I was fine with the Doctor as well as Tom Paris (the most competent man in Starfleet), and yes 7 of 9 was good. Voyager's greatest flaw was that it was afraid of taking chances. Federation good, captain always right (cause heaven forbid a woman ever be wrong in front of a group of men, that would ruin her authority).

DS9 took chances, and for the most part was better for it. We had non-Federation viewpoints that pointed out the flaws that the Federation had (Quark, Odo, and Garak). We saw morally grey if not outright dark decisions. We saw failures, which made the comeback triumphs all that much better.

DS9 took chances and was all the better for it. Voyager refused to take chances and stagnated.

Also, Neelix should have been shoved out an airlock. When a character's cooking nearly destroys the ship, you remove that character.

 

[Signa]

Don't get me wrong, I loved the premise too, but they failed to provide anything to support it for 7 years of airing. DS9 was a fantastic deconstruction of what happens to federation ideals when dealing with a ton of races that don't adhere to those ideals. What Voyager could have been was a futile attempt to hold those ideals while trying to survive. Star Trek's utopia only works as a post-scarcity society, and the situation Voyager removed the society and returned the scarcity. It could have been great! But no, we get a singing hologram, bromance with harry and Tom, and a captain that does everything wrong and pretends it's the right move every time because it always miraculously works out. 7 of 9 was the only good thing about the show, but that's after the replaced a literal 2 year old that should never have been written into the show. Neelix too, for that matter.

I was fine with the Doctor as well as Tom Paris (the most competent man in Starfleet), and yes 7 of 9 was good. Voyager's greatest flaw was that it was afraid of taking chances. Federation good, captain always right (cause heaven forbid a woman ever be wrong in front of a group of men, that would ruin her authority).

DS9 took chances, and for the most part was better for it. We had non-Federation viewpoints that pointed out the flaws that the Federation had (Quark, Odo, and Garak). We saw morally grey if not outright dark decisions. We saw failures, which made the comeback triumphs all that much better.

DS9 took chances and was all the better for it. Voyager refused to take chances and stagnated.

Also, Neelix should have been shoved out an airlock. When a character's cooking nearly destroys the ship, you remove that character.

I've seen that dude that played Neelix in a few other things and he was completely non-offensive. I don't know what directions they were giving him on stage, but it's like they wanted the show to suck. They had OK motivations for bringing Neelix along as well as Tess in the beginning, but the form of the show just didn't support having characters like that around. It was completely stupid to give the crew 80 years of traveling and a permanent character that was only going to live 5. As for Neelix, Star Trek has never had a full on stooge of a comic relief character. Also, half the time his contacts are cross-eyed. It's fucking hilarious.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

I was fine with the Doctor as well as Tom Paris (the most competent man in Starfleet), and yes 7 of 9 was good. Voyager's greatest flaw was that it was afraid of taking chances. Federation good, captain always right (cause heaven forbid a woman ever be wrong in front of a group of men, that would ruin her authority).

DS9 took chances, and for the most part was better for it. We had non-Federation viewpoints that pointed out the flaws that the Federation had (Quark, Odo, and Garak). We saw morally grey if not outright dark decisions. We saw failures, which made the comeback triumphs all that much better.

DS9 took chances and was all the better for it. Voyager refused to take chances and stagnated.

Also, Neelix should have been shoved out an airlock. When a character's cooking nearly destroys the ship, you remove that character.

I've seen that dude that played Neelix in a few other things and he was completely non-offensive. I don't know what directions they were giving him on stage, but it's like they wanted the show to suck. They had OK motivations for bringing Neelix along as well as Tess in the beginning, but the form of the show just didn't support having characters like that around. It was completely stupid to give the crew 80 years of traveling and a permanent character that was only going to live 5. As for Neelix, Star Trek has never had a full on stooge of a comic relief character. Also, half the time his contacts are cross-eyed. It's fucking hilarious.

There is nothing wrong with Ethan Phillips, the huge problem with Voyager is terrible direction and general cast unhappiness. Robert Beltran (who play Chakotay) purposely acted poorly for what he thought was badly written scripts, and no one ever called him out on it or even inquired about his subpar acting (this is why he seems so wooden, it was his silent protest).

 

[Sylvester]

I was fine with the Doctor as well as Tom Paris (the most competent man in Starfleet), and yes 7 of 9 was good. Voyager's greatest flaw was that it was afraid of taking chances. Federation good, captain always right (cause heaven forbid a woman ever be wrong in front of a group of men, that would ruin her authority).

DS9 took chances, and for the most part was better for it. We had non-Federation viewpoints that pointed out the flaws that the Federation had (Quark, Odo, and Garak). We saw morally grey if not outright dark decisions. We saw failures, which made the comeback triumphs all that much better.

DS9 took chances and was all the better for it. Voyager refused to take chances and stagnated.

Also, Neelix should have been shoved out an airlock. When a character's cooking nearly destroys the ship, you remove that character.

I completely agree about DS9 showing the morally gray areas. That was my favorite part of the series, and that was my favorite series. When Sisko was struggling with his role in the war, that gave it a real world feel that doesn't usually happen on TV.

I also agree with the good/evil simplicity of TNG and Voyager leaving them both in a more comic type status. But I enjoyed them both as well.

I'm happy to hear that Picard will have at least one more ST series, but if CBS All Access is paid, I won't be paying for it for just that one show.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

I was fine with the Doctor as well as Tom Paris (the most competent man in Starfleet), and yes 7 of 9 was good. Voyager's greatest flaw was that it was afraid of taking chances. Federation good, captain always right (cause heaven forbid a woman ever be wrong in front of a group of men, that would ruin her authority).

DS9 took chances, and for the most part was better for it. We had non-Federation viewpoints that pointed out the flaws that the Federation had (Quark, Odo, and Garak). We saw morally grey if not outright dark decisions. We saw failures, which made the comeback triumphs all that much better.

DS9 took chances and was all the better for it. Voyager refused to take chances and stagnated.

Also, Neelix should have been shoved out an airlock. When a character's cooking nearly destroys the ship, you remove that character.

I completely agree about DS9 showing the morally gray areas. That was my favorite part of the series, and that was my favorite series. When Sisko was struggling with his role in the war, that gave it a real world feel that doesn't usually happen on TV.

I also agree with the good/evil simplicity of TNG and Voyager leaving them both in a more comic type status. But I enjoyed them both as well.

I'm happy to hear that Picard will have at least one more ST series, but if CBS All Access is paid, I won't be paying for it for just that one show.

TNG was willing to question the actions of its characters from time to time, especially Picard and even have them be wrong on things. Though more often then not, yes TNG did fall into the good/bad simplicity.

 

[Sylvester]

TNG was will to question the actions of its characters from time to time, especially Picard and even have them be wrong on things. Though more often then not, yes TNG did fall into the good/bad simplicity.

Yup, like the episode when a Romulan turns traitor. Picard demands information from him. Jarock gives him the information, and it turns out to be a trap. Jarock later kills himself.

Picard didn't have many other choices, but he was complicit in how that played out.