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Discussing a Possible Sanctuary Wiki

Arnox

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@Vendor-Lazarus suggested this a while ago, and it's something I've been thinking about doing off and on for a while now. There isn't anything I can think of that would be an issue if we did this... Save for two very big ones. How we're gonna handle spam and vandalism, and if it's even a good idea to pull attention away from the Sanctuary forums as our primary information and content repository.

The first issue is definitely the biggest one. The best method to handle it would be if all changes are put into a moderation queue and Sanctuary staff inspect each change to make sure it doesn't violate one of the 7 Deadly Sins before it is signed off on. This would be fine when we're just a small site, but as we scale up, this could turn into a very big problem for Sanctuary staff very quickly as the requested changes begin to really pile up. Furthermore, the discussion tabs for every single page would also have to be moderated. I could be overblowing this issue though.

The second issue is that the forums already serve as a very nice information repository by themselves. With sub-forums for every single category that you can think of and with powerful dedicated searching tools and full integration into the rest of the XF ecosystem, it's hard to top what the XF forums offer in regards to information handling and storage. Still though... A wiki does offer a very nice dedicated place for raw information and statistics. For example, a Samsung Galaxy S5 has the dimensions:

142 mm (5.59 in) H
72.5 mm (2.85 in) W
8.1 mm (0.31 in) D

While that might be great information for a wiki, that kind of raw information dumping doesn't work nearly so well in a forum format which is much more about socialization and the discussion and sharing of ideas. And then there's the topic of what niche we are going to fill with our wiki.

Anyway though, thoughts?

UPDATE: After thinking about this some more, I think I'm coming around to Houseman's way of thinking here. The information that we do collect and store marries with the forum format we use very well, and the information that would not be good for a forum format is just... Generally not something people need us for. The various wiki communities from Wikipedia to the Terraria wiki are doing just fine without us. They don't need us. We don't need them. Let's just stay in our lane here and continue our major push towards public video and file hosting.
 
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gaijinkaiju

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are you talking a substitute for fandom.com?
 

Houseman

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as we scale up
lol

No. Forums are just fine for cataloguing and searching information, thank you very much. Plus, they have the added benefit of letting everyone know that the things you say are just your opinion. What would you do in the case of an edit war where people disagree about something? Would you be the arbiter of truth?[/quote]
 

Arnox

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are you talking a substitute for fandom.com?
Probably not. Although I'm imagining the wiki to be a more universal wiki, I think the only niche we would be good to fill is information not widely known. For example, a list of reputable .onion sites.

lmao Fuck, you guys are brutal, man... We can do this. I will push on.

No. Forums are just fine for cataloguing and searching information, thank you very much. Plus, they have the added benefit of letting everyone know that the things you say are just your opinion. What would you do in the case of an edit war where people disagree about something? Would you be the arbiter of truth?
We wouldn't do anything about information veracity. As long as an edit doesn't violate the 7 Deadly Sins, we would not step in. In the case of an edit war though, it admittedly may verge dangerously close to violating the first Sin dealing with spam. If we receive too many edits contributing the same things, we may just lock the page down from edits for a week until people cool off.
 

Vendor-Lazarus

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I'm pretty sure I meant a Fandom replacement. Because it doesn't have any competition at all (Except for unknown MiraHeze and the BreezeWiki frontend [which isn't an alternative] ). Unlike Wikipedia that have Metapedia, InfoGalactic, Citizendium, ConservaPedia, and EncycloSearch (Not counting New/Woke/Ctrl/Far Left wikis like RationalWiki, ). Having such a game-wiki would also pair well with Politically Incorrect mods.
 

Vendor-Lazarus

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We could also have a "wiki" of real Alternative sites & programs (and maybe frontends). Those that don't feature on AlternativeTo.net and TopBestAlternatives.com or are downvoted into oblivion.
 

Arnox

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I'm pretty sure I meant a Fandom replacement. Because it doesn't have any competition at all (Except for unknown MiraHeze and the BreezeWiki frontend [which isn't an alternative] ). Unlike Wikipedia that have Metapedia, InfoGalactic, Citizendium, ConservaPedia, and EncycloSearch (Not counting New/Woke/Ctrl/Far Left wikis like RationalWiki, ). Having such a game-wiki would also pair well with Politically Incorrect mods.
The problem with that though is I don't think our freedom of speech and user freedom policies are going to be nearly as effective in the entertainment wiki market as they are in the communications, file hosting, and game servers market. Sure we may be able to secure one or two or maybe even three wiki communities for certain taboo things, but I think that's about as far as that's gonna go. We would just be yet another player in the pretty diverse entertainment wiki landscape, and our key edge against all other sites wouldn't really apply much at all there. And also, Fandom has some nasty search engine prioritization behind them that even much larger and better supported communities than us haven't been quite able to topple yet.

TL;DR - We actually have a ton of unique strengths going for us that many other sites do not have whatsoever, but none of them would help us I think in making a successful entertainment wiki community.
 

Arnox

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UPDATE: After thinking about this some more, I think I'm coming around to Houseman's way of thinking here. The information that we do collect and store marries with the forum format we use very well, and the information that would not be good for a forum format is just... Generally not something people need us for. The various wiki communities from Wikipedia to the Terraria wiki are doing just fine without us. They don't need us. We don't need them. Let's just stay in our lane here and continue our major push towards public video and file hosting with full forum integration.
 
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