An Analysis of Suicide Methods

[Vendor-Lazarus]

Quick very unrelated side-note, I love how Pale Moon's interface looks way better than Firefox's terrible modern flat design.

The even better part is how it's so customizable. You can put the tabs on top, re.organize or remove the status and menu bar for even more space (even the address bar), with just a click of a button. Two clicks(-ish) and you can chose any Theme you want (https://addons.palemoon.org/themes/), or make your own. As well as add a Persona (https://addons.palemoon.org/personas/). If you've got the time, and/or have used FF, you can also get into CSS (https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/stylem/) rather easily with an addon. And since XUL addons are integrated with the browser much deeper than simple script-based web extensions (which is more akin to greasemonkey scripts) you can also change the look and layout almost entirely (https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/appearance/).

As a quick unrelated side-note..

 

[Houseman]

And it's easy to say, "They need to just take the pain," but such massive constant stress can make you into a shell of a person.

So can denying your sexual urges, see?!?!?! This is also the 'justification' they use for all kinds of normalized fetishes and LGBT stuff. They say people should be able to do anything they want or else you're dehumanizing and literally killing them.

If you start drawing lines around "you should just deal with this kind of suffering, but nobody should be force to tolerate this other suffering" then I imagine you will at least be making a lot of people very upset.

 

[Arnox]

So can denying your sexual urges, see?!?!?!

No, I can't see. C'mon, Houseman. Now, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that such sexual urges aren't debilitating, because they definitely are in a fair few ways. No doubt about it. But they can be worked around. Medicated. It's a hard road, but it is a road. A possible way to live.

Major chronic pain that you can't really do much about... How can you tell me that that is in the same league as pedophilia? And in any case, even if you were absolutely right that it was on the same level as major chronic pain, there are still the other scenarios that I mentioned above. And also, if these kinds of urges are really sooo strong that you can't live a life ignoring them and nothing else works, then... Maybe that is another case for suicide.

If someone is so utterly messed up inside that they absolutely 100% need to kill people or torture them or molest them, then they cannot live within the Social Contract on even the most basic level. And if they cannot live within that, then they cannot live in any kind of civilized society. And if they cannot live in society, then for everyone's sake, (yes, even including their own sake) they cannot be allowed to live.

 

[Houseman]

Major chronic pain that you can't really do much about... How can you tell me that that is in the same league as pedophilia?

I don't know how pedophiles feel. I also don't know how "major chronic pain" feels.

 

[Arnox]

After conversing with gaijinkaiju via PM, I've decided to post the suicide hotlines in the OP and to leave the topic at that. I do wish to thank everyone though for raising concerns about these things regardless of whether we agree or disagree.

 

[Houseman]

My friend committed suicide after unsuccessfully dealing with a rare and as-of-yet untreatable COVID-caused disease where he felt tremors in his body in all hours of the day and could not sleep. I don't begrudge him for it.

 

[Arnox]

My friend committed suicide after unsuccessfully dealing with a rare and as-of-yet untreatable COVID-caused disease where he felt tremors in his body in all hours of the day and could not sleep. I don't begrudge him for it.

I'm sorry, man. Yeah, lack of sleep, after too long, will absolutely wreck someone's mind.