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<p>[QUOTE="Addendum_Forthcoming, post: 4163, member: 22"]</p><p>How would you know, however? Moreover you could say it about anything. "Sure, gravity kills you when you fall off a building... but imagine if there were no gravity!"</p><p></p><p>Let's take another hypothetical... let's say if there was a megapredator that routinely destroyed human encampments? They were as smart, as able to withstand the environmental differences as us. They could hear as well, see as well, smell as well, have a lesser capacity for vocalization and with tools, as well as relativistically barbaric funerary and pseudo-religious practices.</p><p></p><p>Picturing it? Well that was our splinter groups of humanity. We were successors by force and material virtues alone despite an intellectual and cultural inferiority. They were fashioning stone ring adornments roughly 20,000 years before we would mimic them. Those early subhumans weren't stupid. They likely had strange conceptions of their relationship to the universe when they looked up at the stars as well, and research suggests a far more complex pseudo-religious relationship if funerary practices are anything to go by.</p><p></p><p>Neanderthals buried their dead. Had far more complex funerary rituals than us at the time of their extinction. Their skills with tools and artistry surpassed ours. Their concepts of divinity likely did as well. And we destroyed them. Turns out there would be no inheritance of the planet for them, only us.</p><p></p><p>There is no grand plan, no preplanned objective analysis of humans as if worthy of a god(s)' attentions.</p><p></p><p>We survived solely because of the Ice Age and expansionism. </p><p></p><p>Hardship breeds hardened hearts. People die for no good reason. The smartest of us do not lead. Hatred does not breed love and tolerance, it breeds depression, angst, suspicion and destruction. Moreover it is grossly immoral to assume suffering is good for character. </p><p></p><p>If god(s) truly wanted there to be a grand plan of human suffering, we'd see it. A trans kid who is on the end of a malicious rumour spread by a parent, which gets repeated on Fox News despite no journalistic integrity to research it, suffer with no real apology to date. No recompense. And an innocent child ends up on suicide watch. In a just wotld where suffering benefitted people, that kid deserves a winning lottery ticket.</p><p></p><p>Whatever justice to our suffering there is, it is entirely manmade. Like, say, a lawsuit against Fox News and the Pacific "Justice" Institute for slander against a private citizen. And the best that that suffering can provide is a horrid realization such suffering hopefully does not continue and is actively penalized when it is afflicted wantonly.</p><p></p><p>So no... 'for there to be pleasure there needs to be pain' is immoral if purposefully inflicted or allowed. In the same way we are most fortunate not to be neanderthals. </p><p></p><p>Assuming there is some nativist justice or psychological benefit to pain and hardship, ignores psychology and the fact there is clearly no designs of metaphysical justice in the system.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Addendum_Forthcoming, post: 4163, member: 22"] How would you know, however? Moreover you could say it about anything. "Sure, gravity kills you when you fall off a building... but imagine if there were no gravity!" Let's take another hypothetical... let's say if there was a megapredator that routinely destroyed human encampments? They were as smart, as able to withstand the environmental differences as us. They could hear as well, see as well, smell as well, have a lesser capacity for vocalization and with tools, as well as relativistically barbaric funerary and pseudo-religious practices. Picturing it? Well that was our splinter groups of humanity. We were successors by force and material virtues alone despite an intellectual and cultural inferiority. They were fashioning stone ring adornments roughly 20,000 years before we would mimic them. Those early subhumans weren't stupid. They likely had strange conceptions of their relationship to the universe when they looked up at the stars as well, and research suggests a far more complex pseudo-religious relationship if funerary practices are anything to go by. Neanderthals buried their dead. Had far more complex funerary rituals than us at the time of their extinction. Their skills with tools and artistry surpassed ours. Their concepts of divinity likely did as well. And we destroyed them. Turns out there would be no inheritance of the planet for them, only us. There is no grand plan, no preplanned objective analysis of humans as if worthy of a god(s)' attentions. We survived solely because of the Ice Age and expansionism. Hardship breeds hardened hearts. People die for no good reason. The smartest of us do not lead. Hatred does not breed love and tolerance, it breeds depression, angst, suspicion and destruction. Moreover it is grossly immoral to assume suffering is good for character. If god(s) truly wanted there to be a grand plan of human suffering, we'd see it. A trans kid who is on the end of a malicious rumour spread by a parent, which gets repeated on Fox News despite no journalistic integrity to research it, suffer with no real apology to date. No recompense. And an innocent child ends up on suicide watch. In a just wotld where suffering benefitted people, that kid deserves a winning lottery ticket. Whatever justice to our suffering there is, it is entirely manmade. Like, say, a lawsuit against Fox News and the Pacific "Justice" Institute for slander against a private citizen. And the best that that suffering can provide is a horrid realization such suffering hopefully does not continue and is actively penalized when it is afflicted wantonly. So no... 'for there to be pleasure there needs to be pain' is immoral if purposefully inflicted or allowed. In the same way we are most fortunate not to be neanderthals. Assuming there is some nativist justice or psychological benefit to pain and hardship, ignores psychology and the fact there is clearly no designs of metaphysical justice in the system. [/QUOTE]
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