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<p>[QUOTE="Arnox, post: 14443, member: 1"]</p><p>Yes, good. We need discussion. We need debate.</p><p></p><p>By the way though, remember, gaijin, that we ARE a website dedicated to freedom of speech. I literally call this site the edge of the civilized internet. That's not just words. At times, we are going to discuss edgy things. That's just what we do. If you see threads you disagree with, threads that provoke a strong reaction from you (that aren't trollbait), then please. Reply to them. Tear them apart. I need people that can tell me I'm fucking retarded. We all do. Sanctuary needs people that disagree and offer a fresh perspective. We discuss, we progress, we build, and we grow.</p><p></p><p>Alright, back to the topic at hand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is all already fully explained in the guide.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And in fact, I forgot another fifth reason. Not talking about this is not actually going to prevent anyone from committing suicide. If they don't find what they want here, they'll find their info elsewhere. And very quickly too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, gaijin. Really. Fentanyl. And it's not even close to being as ridiculous as some of the other things you've listed.</p><p></p><p>The methods selected are a combination of methods that are popularly known and methods that are actually optimal that may or may not be as well known. (I probably should have added that.) There are literally a million ways to potentially kill yourself. You're really gonna get on my ass because I didn't add death by snake venom?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also already addressed. I would definitely have added one, but people have talked over and over again about what a shit experience they had with them.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://old.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/tred1s/has_anybody_else_had_a_bad_experience_with/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://old.reddit.com/r/rant/comments/hqobgx/the_suicide_hotline_isnt_trustworthy/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Perhaps you misunderstood me to say that there are NO suicide hotlines whatsoever. No, I mean that the ones that are there currently tend to exacerbate things rather than solve them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Admittedly, some of these, like electrocution, were not as seriously considered as others. But that's why I left that important notice at the bottom to please contact me if anyone finds anything wrong with these. I suppose I could have posted more sources, but keep in mind, beyond the basic national suicide statistics, there aren't really any hard numbers behind specific methods that I know of. And those statistics are going to report deaths for methods, yes, but that number is not actually super helpful unless we also know the rate of failures alongside it as well. Obviously, many, many medical websites are not going to give out rates of reliability in suicide methods. They're either going say something can be fatal or not and that's it. The best way to gauge reliability then is to try to determine just how much of a blow to the system a certain method would be. Taking five sleeping pills at once is not going to be nearly as fatal as just shooting oneself, and etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fentanyl deaths by overdose are a massive issue right now. Just do a quick search and you'll find articles in 5 seconds, literally, talking about what a national crisis it is. And finally, it's easily very well known that due to how potent Fentanyl is and how easy it is to mess up dosages, fatality is pretty much assured past a certain (very, very small) dose, assuming someone doesn't get to you in time with Narcan.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Arnox, post: 14443, member: 1"] Yes, good. We need discussion. We need debate. By the way though, remember, gaijin, that we ARE a website dedicated to freedom of speech. I literally call this site the edge of the civilized internet. That's not just words. At times, we are going to discuss edgy things. That's just what we do. If you see threads you disagree with, threads that provoke a strong reaction from you (that aren't trollbait), then please. Reply to them. Tear them apart. I need people that can tell me I'm fucking retarded. We all do. Sanctuary needs people that disagree and offer a fresh perspective. We discuss, we progress, we build, and we grow. Alright, back to the topic at hand. This is all already fully explained in the guide. And in fact, I forgot another fifth reason. Not talking about this is not actually going to prevent anyone from committing suicide. If they don't find what they want here, they'll find their info elsewhere. And very quickly too. Yes, gaijin. Really. Fentanyl. And it's not even close to being as ridiculous as some of the other things you've listed. The methods selected are a combination of methods that are popularly known and methods that are actually optimal that may or may not be as well known. (I probably should have added that.) There are literally a million ways to potentially kill yourself. You're really gonna get on my ass because I didn't add death by snake venom? Also already addressed. I would definitely have added one, but people have talked over and over again about what a shit experience they had with them. [URL unfurl="true"]https://old.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/tred1s/has_anybody_else_had_a_bad_experience_with/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://old.reddit.com/r/rant/comments/hqobgx/the_suicide_hotline_isnt_trustworthy/[/URL] Perhaps you misunderstood me to say that there are NO suicide hotlines whatsoever. No, I mean that the ones that are there currently tend to exacerbate things rather than solve them. Admittedly, some of these, like electrocution, were not as seriously considered as others. But that's why I left that important notice at the bottom to please contact me if anyone finds anything wrong with these. I suppose I could have posted more sources, but keep in mind, beyond the basic national suicide statistics, there aren't really any hard numbers behind specific methods that I know of. And those statistics are going to report deaths for methods, yes, but that number is not actually super helpful unless we also know the rate of failures alongside it as well. Obviously, many, many medical websites are not going to give out rates of reliability in suicide methods. They're either going say something can be fatal or not and that's it. The best way to gauge reliability then is to try to determine just how much of a blow to the system a certain method would be. Taking five sleeping pills at once is not going to be nearly as fatal as just shooting oneself, and etc. Fentanyl deaths by overdose are a massive issue right now. Just do a quick search and you'll find articles in 5 seconds, literally, talking about what a national crisis it is. And finally, it's easily very well known that due to how potent Fentanyl is and how easy it is to mess up dosages, fatality is pretty much assured past a certain (very, very small) dose, assuming someone doesn't get to you in time with Narcan. See above. [/QUOTE]
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