Woman Gets Snatched Off the Street, Gestapo Style, in US

[Arnox]

It’s Hard to Believe This Video Was Filmed in the United States. It No Longer Should Be.

It shows, clearly, the explicit and proud policy of the Trump administration.

slate.com

I know this is somewhat old news, but I've been debating bringing this up for a while. And it's not just the ridiculous manner in which Rumeysa Ozturk gets snatched off the street (completely out of uniform with fully unmarked cars). A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson apparently claims with no further proof that Ozturk “engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization.” Ok, where's the proof of that? Some outlets reported that Ozturk co-authored a student opinion piece urging Tufts to recognize the International Court of Justice’s declaration of a “plausible risk of genocide” unfolding in Gaza and to divest from Israel. But Hamas is not even mentioned. And of course, Ozturk's lawyer can't contact her.

I obviously fully support deporting terrorists and other miscellaneous major offenders but it feels like the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. We are now starting to ride the slippery slope.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

Edit: Ok so I read it and she not a citizen of the USA, but it still looks shady as hell. But I what I did put down I still stand with it just we have seen this stuff happen with real citizens of the USA.

So much for the "Land of The Free" nowadays. I been saying this since this so called war started that the Right and Left, this is more on the right. The right has or have been played like a damned fiddle. I mean come on she has the right to say whatever the fuck she wants that why we have the Bill of Rights. Look the students that think Hamash or whatever them bastards are, they are wrong in the morals. There are better people our there to stand behind. Theses are not. I was not gonna vote last year because I did not trust any of them, Im glad it was Trump and not the other one but this is not what I want from a president at all. We need to get out of this war and look out for our homeland.

We got homeless, the government is in debt, and we got laws that go nowhere near the core of this nation. We need to get our shit straight first and let the two brat nations over there fight their own war. Hell truth to be told I say fuck it and let em eat themselves. Man what is going on with both sides anyway? I cant keep up anymore. Feels like some Twilight Zone episode with no logic.

 

[Houseman]

A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson apparently claims with no further proof that Ozturk “engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization.” Ok, where's the proof of that?

Consider the following scenario that probably happened a dozen times in the last 24 hours all over the country: some guy gets arrested at his house and taken away.

Does everyone know why? Is the public given "proof" of this suspect's crimes? Usually the answer is no. There might be some minimum amount of information made publicly available by the police, such as the name and the charge and where they are being held.

Very few people know all of the evidence that the authorities have at their disposal that leads them to arrest any given person. The authorities also do not normally release all of that information to the public. This is not normally a cause for alarm because we generally trust in the system to separate the innocent from the guilty.

So how is this situation any different?

 

[Arnox]

So how is this situation any different?

A fair question. This situation is different because of the following:

- LEOs were not in uniform whatsoever nor were they using marked cars and this was not a regular undercover operation.
- Very usually, before an arrest, unless the suspect is showing some kind of physical resistance, there will at least be some kind of dialogue between the LEO and the suspect. "Hey, I'm a police officer. I'm stopping you because of so-and-so reason. Do you have an explanation? Do you have ID?" Etc. There was none of that here. Just a full grab-and-run.
- It's true that authorities generally don't release information on suspects at the time of the arrest, but even her lawyer couldn't get in contact with her.
- The reason given by the DHS for the arrest seems to be so vague and insubstantial as to be completely spurious.
- Even if she did actually voice her support for Hamas, shouldn't immigrants have freedom of speech anyway, or do they really have to wait for years until they're a citizen before they get 1st Amendment rights?

 

[Houseman]

- Even if she did actually voice her support for Hamas, shouldn't immigrants have freedom of speech anyway, or do they really have to wait for years until they're a citizen before they get 1st Amendment rights?

That seems like the crux of the issue. Should they?
What if a non-citizen makes it onto US soil and starts changing "death to America"? Under what circumstances and to what extent should that be allowed? Where is the line drawn?

 

[Arnox]

That seems like the crux of the issue.

Actually, I'd say it isn't. It's just kind of an extra on top of all this. Even if we fully agreed that immigrants, until they become citizens, shouldn't have 1st Amendment rights, the entire way this was done was shady as fuck.

 

[Houseman]

Actually, I'd say it isn't. It's just kind of an extra on top of all this. Even if we fully agreed that immigrants, until they become citizens, shouldn't have 1st Amendment rights, the entire way this was done was shady as fuck.

Part of the issue is that ICE isn't beholden to the "Miranda Rights" style arrests we see from local police departments. Looking into similar cases further, it's not a "criminal" issue, but a "civil" one, and therefore not subject to the normal things we would expect from the police.

Because this is not a criminal case, there is no "crime", it is just some non-citizen breaking the terms of their visa.

 

[Arnox]

and therefore not subject to the normal things we would expect from the police.

But that's my point. Maybe they should be. Why does ICE get a free pass to completely bypass standard police procedure? Why do they need that power?

it is just some non-citizen breaking the terms of their visa.

As said, we still don't even know if that's valid.