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What Would You Like To See?

Signa

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Houseman said:
Signa said:
It starts as a plea for making the hobby/movement into a more welcoming place. No one should ever be mean to each other. you guys are decent people, why would you want to allow meanness? Most reasonable people agree, there is no need for meanness, and we do want to be welcoming to newcomers in our group.
Thankfully, it seems that nobody else wants the same things that Silvanus wants.
In all fairness to Silvanus, I think we all want the core of what Silvanus wants. The difference is how we achieve it. Counter-intuitively, the way to get it is by being more open than closed down.
 

Arnox

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I think we're jumping down his throat too much and we all need to calm down.

Nothing's gonna happen to the site, guys. I'm probably more pro-First Amendment then the rest of you are.
 

Silvanus

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Signa said:
No one is saying you're unwelcome. If I thought So i wouldn't have made sure to link you back at the 'pist. I'm discussing an ideological infiltration. You are still welcome to hold your ideology, even be possessed by its ideas, but I'm saying it's not allowed to take power over the authority structure here.
You described me as an "envoy for an ideological infiltration".

Aside from the hyperbole, I don't really know how to read that other than stating that I shouldn't be here. If I'm "infiltrating", then I shouldn't be here; that's what it means. How quickly disagreement turned to gatekeeping is... well, impressive isn't the word.

Signa said:
And most of those communities that hosted those ideas crumbled in some way. You can call it a slippery slope all you want but I cited 5 broad communities that have been broadly damaged by such ideas. I get how you want to create a bubble of safety in the community you're joining, but how about you trust us instead of getting preemptively defensive. Like I said, it's too soon to be putting up the barricades.
Most of the communities that hold those rules-- such as disallowing harassment, for instance-- have not crumbled; you can see that's untrue. The vast majority of online communities disallow extreme stuff like harassment, and the vast majority of online communities have not crumbled.

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Either way, I'm going to drop out of the thread. Obviously, I don't want policies in place that most users disagree with-- that wouldn't be productive, or make for a good experience. Neither do I particularly want to keep defending myself against personal accusations.
 

Signa

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Silvanus said:
Signa said:
No one is saying you're unwelcome. If I thought So i wouldn't have made sure to link you back at the 'pist. I'm discussing an ideological infiltration. You are still welcome to hold your ideology, even be possessed by its ideas, but I'm saying it's not allowed to take power over the authority structure here.
You described me as an "envoy for an ideological infiltration".

Aside from the hyperbole, I don't really know how to read that other than stating that I shouldn't be here. If I'm "infiltrating", then I shouldn't be here; that's what it means. How quickly disagreement turned to gatekeeping is... well, impressive isn't the word.
You have two groups of people with two different ideologies. One ideology allows both groups to coexist at the will of the individuals in each group while the other does not. The other ideology requires conformity to the group at the penalty of Exile for non conformity. If holding the door open for both groups is gatekeeping, then I'll play security guard all day. Everyone is equal and everyone gets treated the same, regardless of your group.

I also said you were playing the role of... meaning your an actor on a larger stage. I don't care if you're following your script or ad libbing, I just identified your role.
Signa said:
And most of those communities that hosted those ideas crumbled in some way. You can call it a slippery slope all you want but I cited 5 broad communities that have been broadly damaged by such ideas. I get how you want to create a bubble of safety in the community you're joining, but how about you trust us instead of getting preemptively defensive. Like I said, it's too soon to be putting up the barricades.
Most of the communities that hold those rules-- such as disallowing harassment, for instance-- have not crumbled; you can see that's untrue. The vast majority of online communities disallow extreme stuff like harassment, and the vast majority of online communities have not crumbled.

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Either way, I'm going to drop out of the thread. Obviously, I don't want policies in place that most users disagree with-- that wouldn't be productive, or make for a good experience. Neither do I particularly want to keep defending myself against personal accusations.
OK, so heres the deal, Im going to be intentionally be the meanest Ive been to you. Everything up to this point was incidental. I now see you aren't getting your way and now your switching roles to oppressed victim. You're following a very predictable playbook. If you had more of your ideological group around here, the next phase would be to start casting the common aspersions (nazi, hate speech enabler) at the rest of the group here. Since you're alone here (which I fully commend you for), you have a chance to go off script.

So here's what I suggest. You've been arguing against rights you have here on this forum. I know you didn't intend to use them, but go have a little fun. Use them. You don't have to mean a word you say, and no one will take the thing you say seriously, but go make a thread and say something detestable, just because you can. Trust me, I won't see it coming. Live a little.
 

Silvanus

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Signa said:
OK, so heres the deal, Im going to be intentionally be the meanest Ive been to you. Everything up to this point was incidental.
Y'know what, maybe this place isn't for me.

I wouldn't even necessarily mind being on a forum without the rules I was suggesting. That could be fine depending on the level of discourse. But if this is the ongoing tone, I'm not really going to have a nice time (which, I suspect, is rather the point).

I do think that the regulations on The Escapist were onerous and poorly thought-out, and I also think a good few people are probably going to be a good deal happier here. I hope they are, because a suitable online hangout isn't always an easy thing to come by. I suspect, though, that it won't be attracting a great diversity of people if the default response is this kind of personal hostility.
 

Vendor-Lazarus

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Silvanus said:
Signa said:
OK, so heres the deal, Im going to be intentionally be the meanest Ive been to you. Everything up to this point was incidental.
Y'know what, maybe this place isn't for me.

I wouldn't even necessarily mind being on a forum without the rules I was suggesting. That could be fine depending on the level of discourse. But if this is the ongoing tone, I'm not really going to have a nice time (which, I suspect, is rather the point).

I do think that the regulations on The Escapist were onerous and poorly thought-out, and I also think a good few people are probably going to be a good deal happier here. I hope they are, because a suitable online hangout isn't always an easy thing to come by. I suspect, though, that it won't be attracting a great diversity of people if the default response is this kind of personal hostility.
That's too bad, and I'm being honest here. I was thinking of creating that mushroom thread, but I'm both afflicted by doubt, second-guessing and procrastination.

With this setup, you can have your tone, and I can have mine. And other can have theirs. In yours, only your tone would be allowed. See the difference?

You took up the mantle of victim yourself by taking offense to terms and labels mentioned but not addressed at you personally.
 

Arnox

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Silvanus said:
Signa said:
OK, so heres the deal, Im going to be intentionally be the meanest Ive been to you. Everything up to this point was incidental.
Y'know what, maybe this place isn't for me.

I wouldn't even necessarily mind being on a forum without the rules I was suggesting. That could be fine depending on the level of discourse. But if this is the ongoing tone, I'm not really going to have a nice time (which, I suspect, is rather the point).

I do think that the regulations on The Escapist were onerous and poorly thought-out, and I also think a good few people are probably going to be a good deal happier here. I hope they are, because a suitable online hangout isn't always an easy thing to come by. I suspect, though, that it won't be attracting a great diversity of people if the default response is this kind of personal hostility.
I understand that people here are being pretty confrontational perhaps, but don't give up and leave just yet. Try posting a few threads. Questions, cool things, etc. And if you're still not happy with all this, then by all means, leave. I know that I wouldn't have found one of the best forums I'd ever posted in if I didn't stick around after getting flamed for making a, in hindsight, pretty silly thread.

In an environment that encourages free speech, you can and perhaps often, will run into opposition. People will challenge your ideas and preconceived notions freely just as you challenge theirs. They may not do a very good job of it. Hell, it may even be a horrible job. But the point is that it will happen.

Stick with it. I don't think you're used to this kind of environment yet. No one wants to see you go here. Especially not me. Stay with us and you may find this to be the best place to be and to post.
 

Signa

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Arnox said:
Silvanus said:
Y'know what, maybe this place isn't for me.
No one wants to see you go here. Especially not me. Stay with us and you may find this to be the best place to be and to post.
I want to echo this. I'm being harsh, but I'm not trying to chase you out, Silvanus. I'd rather you stick around and hate me and argue with me constantly than just have you leave. I want there to be things I can be wrong or ignorant about, and for you to be here to correct me too. Dialog goes both ways, and just running away doesn't change anything.

If you are leaving for sure, I do appreciate you at least showing up this far and trying. Not many others did (yet?) at The Escapist.
 

Guilion

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Arnox said:
Guilion said:
Sooooo, I already know that https is out of the question but can we at least be assured that the databases of the website are encrypted? (You know, just the databases, not the connection)
HTTPS is NOT off the table, but it's being a real bitch because Cloudflare, the one providing the free certificates, has given us very bad documentation, among other things, and now me and my host are trying to puzzle over how exactly this has to work. I'll post an update when I have more to report.
Thanks for going through the effort to do this. I know that it most likely wasn't easy.

I will try to make an effort to be more active here as a result (Sorry, I've kind of become a security nut in recent years).
 

Signa

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Am I doing something wrong, or did the code stop working completely? I thought there was a quick button for it too, but now I only see the Email option in its place. [b]Edit:[/b] I just checked one of my older posts by quoting myself. The post displays the pictures, however the preview will not.

Also, I was wondering if there's a way we can get footnotes like what Escapist does? I used that feature a lot because it was way easier to read than putting parentheses in the middle of my posts if I had extra text to write about my comment. Adding an asterisk and writing it manually also looks poorly formatted by comparison.
 

Arnox

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Signa said:
Am I doing something wrong, or did the code stop working completely? I thought there was a quick button for it too, but now I only see the Email option in its place. [b]Edit:[/b] I just checked one of my older posts by quoting myself. The post displays the pictures, however the preview will not.

Also, I was wondering if there's a way we can get footnotes like what Escapist does? I used that feature a lot because it was way easier to read than putting parentheses in the middle of my posts if I had extra text to write about my comment. Adding an asterisk and writing it manually also looks poorly formatted by comparison.
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I accidentally the permissions. Should be fixed now. I instituted an old protocol where unless you have 10 posts, you can't use the img BBCode tags. Let me know if there's any other problems, but be sure to make a separate thread for them though. This thread is for site suggestions.
 

Issue313

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How about a commitment to users? Are you going to turn around and ban me for no reason? I really have no idea. Why am I investing time on this forum? Unless you show some sort of determination to go through with the steps to building a community, there is no reason whatsoever.

Arnox: when you were on Lanny's shitty forum you said you were not there to recruit, then you closed registrations. Why weren't you there to recruit, and why did you close registrations?
 

Arnox

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Issue313 said:
How about a commitment to users? Are you going to turn around and ban me for no reason? I really have no idea. Why am I investing time on this forum? Unless you show some sort of determination to go through with the steps to building a community, there is no reason whatsoever.

Arnox: when you were on Lanny's shitty forum you said you were not there to recruit, then you closed registrations. Why weren't you there to recruit, and why did you close registrations?
Oh I heard this fucking tune before. Guess what? I don't care about you. I don't care about your patronage. Not anymore. You guys pissed all over the work I did for you. And while that was years ago now, I looked at the NiS boards and you guys have not changed one fucking bit. If anything, I think you've gotten a little worse. I think it's only a matter of time now before you start trying to shut down NiS. Just like you did with Zoklet. Just like you did with RDFRN. Just like you did with Sanctuary.

As to my post, I actually can't reply in that thread because whenever I try to, the proxy I use just errors out. I can only send PMs. But yeah, I actually found out that you guys found out about Sanctuary through Juicebox. At first, I hoped it would blow over. I posted a warning to the community here but I mostly ignored it. Then the flooding happened. Twice. Almost happened a third time. Naturally. Then I made that post on NiS.
 

Signa

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How about a reverse quote button? When you hit the quote button now, you get (quote)(/quote) to pop out. A reverse quote would look like (/quote)(quote), which would allow you to insert your text into someone else's response without messing up the quote chain.
 

Arnox

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Signa said:
How about a reverse quote button? When you hit the quote button now, you get (quote)(/quote) to pop out. A reverse quote would look like (/quote)(quote), which would allow you to insert your text into someone else's response without messing up the quote chain.
I'm confused. Could you describe what you want to do a little more?
 

bluegate

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Arnox said:
Signa said:
How about a reverse quote button? When you hit the quote button now, you get (quote)(/quote) to pop out. A reverse quote would look like (/quote)(quote), which would allow you to insert your text into someone else's response without messing up the quote chain.
I'm confused. Could you describe what you want to do a little more?
Like he said, a button that would first add [ /quote ] and then add [ quote ], so that when you are replying to a long post, you can quickly intersect somebody's quote with your own comments.

Although I'm just regurgitating what he said, this make it more clear?
 

Arnox

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bluegate said:
Like he said, a button that would first add [ /quote ] and then add [ quote ], so that when you are replying to a long post, you can quickly intersect somebody's quote with your own comments.

Although I'm just regurgitating what he said, this make it more clear?
Ahhhh. I see what you guys are saying.

There probably isn't a mod for it, but on the other hand, it may be a super simple mod to make.
 

Signa

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Arnox said:
bluegate said:
Like he said, a button that would first add [ /quote ] and then add [ quote ], so that when you are replying to a long post, you can quickly intersect somebody's quote with your own comments.

Although I'm just regurgitating what he said, this make it more clear?
Ahhhh. I see what you guys are saying.

There probably isn't a mod for it, but on the other hand, it may be a super simple mod to make.
Yeah, I think you got it. I ask only because I'm assuming it would be super easy to make. I'm expecting it to be an exact code copy from the existing quote button but with the output string slightly altered.
 

bluegate

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Signa said:
Arnox said:
Ahhhh. I see what you guys are saying.

There probably isn't a mod for it, but on the other hand, it may be a super simple mod to make.
Yeah, I think you got it. I ask only because I'm assuming it would be super easy to make. I'm expecting it to be an exact code copy from the existing quote button but with the output string slightly altered.
It's easy to make.

Know what else is annoying about the editor? When in Rich Text Mode, or whatever it is called, and you click on the Quote BB button then the closing tag won't show up in Chrome or Firefox, although it does in Edge.

If you switch to Plain Text mode it's there, and if you then revert back to Rich Text mode it's there also, but it doesn't visibly add it when first clicking the button which is annoying.
 

Arnox

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bluegate said:
Know what else is annoying about the editor? When in Rich Text Mode, or whatever it is called, and you click on the Quote BB button then the closing tag won't show up in Chrome or Firefox.
If you highlight the text you'd like quoted though and then press it, it will put in the end tag. Honestly though, just don't use that mode. It's awful in general. lol

Houseman said:
One thing I've noticed, this thing doesn't work:



I can never resize the text box
I have no idea with that one. I'm assuming you're using Chrome? Firefox here and it's working for me.

BTW, kinda dragging my feet for that reverse quote BBCode button. I think I know how to do it. But I don't know how to write it into a package. Or how to link it to a button.
 

bluegate

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Arnox said:
BTW, kinda dragging my feet for that reverse quote BBCode button. I think I know how to do it. But I don't know how to write it into a package. Or how to link it to a button.
In that case, here you go;
https://dev.luckymouse.nl/repos/splicequotebbbutton.zip

First uploaded it to SMF's Mod database, but they're taking their sweet time validating it.
This should be the link once validation is complete, I think?

Since it's a quick copy of the Quote button, if the you have text selected then the tags will be placed around the selection, so beware of that, I suppose :eek:
 

Houseman

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Arnox said:
I have no idea with that one. I'm assuming you're using Chrome? Firefox here and it's working for me.
Yeah, that's probably why. Maybe I'll look into switching browsers. Would be a nice step towards de-googling my life.
 

bluegate

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Houseman said:
Arnox said:
I have no idea with that one. I'm assuming you're using Chrome? Firefox here and it's working for me.
Yeah, that's probably why. Maybe I'll look into switching browsers. Would be a nice step towards de-googling my life.
The real why would be the forum using old software :eek:
 
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