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We need to make a decision...

Should we put Sanctuary temporarily into "Beta Test" mode where only users who know other users can


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Arnox

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This has been something that I've been thinking about a lot over the past couple days. Ever since we started getting a few NiS members over here. If we're gonna do something about this, now's the time before there's too many NiS members here.

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I can put this forum into a temporary referral-only mode in terms of registration. Where you need to know somebody here in order to join. If so, things continue just as they were. Basically, only someone that was from the Escapist can refer someone. Other than that, there would be no change.

Or we can simply let things go and let NiS members continue to join. Now if that is really what you guys want, that's fine. However... If we do that, some responsibility is going to come onto your shoulders here. You can't let others from NiS drag you down into their stupid games. I do not want to see you guys get infected. I do NOT want to see a repeat of what happened at Sanctuary OG.

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Perhaps I'm being dramatic about this, but if I am, it's only because I've seen firsthand what drama can do to an otherwise amazing community. You guys are starting off very solidly, and the last thing I want to see is this whole place turning into a cesspit too. So I will give you all this warning if the second option is picked. If I do see it happening... If I see you guys joining in on the bullshit, then at that day, I'm going to break my ties and disown you all. As Revy so beautifully puts it, nothing's worse than being treated like some whore by your companions.

But anyway. It's up to you guys though. I will respect your choice, whatever it is. But if the second option, then I don't want to see you all turning into a bunch of asshats.
 

Signa

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If we are going to go on lockdown, then we will have to do some actual recruiting.

Are you able to make a gulag subform that shitposters can only post in? You wouldn't have to ban anyone like IS, but you could make him irrelevant if he's only able to post on a place no one wants to go. It can be a place you only get forced to go when chaos has been your only communication goal.

I'm also ok as long and i only have one or two shitposters to deal with at a time. I've been having fun and it's not changing my attitude towards anyone else on the forum. I'm just matching tones. If we did get flooded, I don't think I'd be able to keep up with the lampooning.

chocolate_chip_cookie said:
i voted yes because fuck those nis niggas lmfao
So I voted yes too. The results are 2:1. Arnox either didn't vote, or voted against her own position. I think you lied.
 

Arnox

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Signa said:
If we are going to go on lockdown, then we will have to do some actual recruiting.

Are you able to make a gulag subform that shitposters can only post in? You wouldn't have to ban anyone like IS, but you could make him irrelevant if he's only able to post on a place no one wants to go. It can be a place you only get forced to go when chaos has been your only communication goal.

I'm also ok as long and i only have one or two shitposters to deal with at a time. I've been having fun and it's not changing my attitude towards anyone else on the forum. I'm just matching tones. If we did get flooded, I don't think I'd be able to keep up with the lampooning.

chocolate_chip_cookie said:
i voted yes because fuck those nis niggas lmfao
So I voted yes too. The results are 2:1. Arnox either didn't vote, or voted against her own position. I think you lied.
Honestly, the place you're talking about just sounds redundant to NiS. Also, I didn't vote as I didn't think it proper, given my position. As to recruiting... Eh, maybe.
 

Signa

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Arnox said:
Honestly, the place you're talking about just sounds redundant to NiS.
Is NiS considered a sister site to Sanctuary? I thought it was more of another thing entirely, but the users have a history here. In that respect, I was thinking the gulag would be for the NiS users that still want to be here, but can't culturally integrate to the new forum. In THAT respect, I hope you're considering us a new forum (but with a backstory) because that would mean that all of the people you enjoy here are the interlopers, and thus we should integrate to the former userbase's culture.

The Gulag wouldn't just be for NiS members anyway. It's the penalty box, where you go for being an asshole. Like a dunce cap! You get to come back and sit with the rest of the class if you can behave again.
 

Arnox

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Signa said:
Arnox said:
Honestly, the place you're talking about just sounds redundant to NiS.
Is NiS considered a sister site to Sanctuary? I thought it was more of another thing entirely, but the users have a history here. In that respect, I was thinking the gulag would be for the NiS users that still want to be here, but can't culturally integrate to the new forum. In THAT respect, I hope you're considering us a new forum (but with a backstory) because that would mean that all of the people you enjoy here are the interlopers, and thus we should integrate to the former userbase's culture.

The Gulag wouldn't just be for NiS members anyway. It's the penalty box, where you go for being an asshole. Like a dunce cap! You get to come back and sit with the rest of the class if you can behave again.
NiS was started after Sanctuary to house all the members I dumped. Some from RDFRN went over there too. That's pretty much all the relation it has to Sanctuary. I pretty much only acknowledge it here because I have to. As to culture, the only thing I care about is that you guys obey the rules and don't get caught up in drama.

TOTSE is dead, and unless Jeff Hunter himself comes back from his 20+ year hiatus, it would be foolish to try to clone it exactly. It's just not gonna happen, although some fun little things about it do sometimes leak into Sanctuary such the sub-forum names. TOTSE ideals though are immortal and live on. And that's what I'm bringing back. Not the culture. Because we make our own culture here. Our own stories. We shouldn't live in the shadow of the past, no matter how great it was. Instead, we should forge a new future for ourselves.
 

SupahEwok

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I say no.

You haven't imported enough of a community to be self-perpetuating yet, and locking down registration anymore would throttle any attempts to grow, which is what the place needs. It's just not a good idea. I'd rather you be heavy handed and just ban people who can't maintain basic etiquette. I'm on another small forum, with low active membership and very low growth. We don't have mods or a very active admin. Don't even have a list of rules, except that politics and religion are restricted to specific subforums... that only admins can post in (and are therefore forbidden subjects to the rest of us). All there is, is a general expectation to stay civil. And although things can get heated, we self police. People will just leave if a disagreement is too strong.

We don't have professional trolls and fuckwits invading (a reason why I'm not naming the place is to keep it that way), but if they did, I'd expect the admin would simply take a ban those disrupting the community. It's not worth the headache of trying to reason with inherently unreasonable people. And it's not worth it to let them sabotage the site by taking such a measure as the one proposed.
 

Arnox

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SupahEwok said:
I say no.

You haven't imported enough of a community to be self-perpetuating yet, and locking down registration anymore would throttle any attempts to grow, which is what the place needs. It's just not a good idea. I'd rather you be heavy handed and just ban people who can't maintain basic etiquette. I'm on another small forum, with low active membership and very low growth. We don't have mods or a very active admin. Don't even have a list of rules, except that politics and religion are restricted to specific subforums... that only admins can post in (and are therefore forbidden subjects to the rest of us). All there is, is a general expectation to stay civil. And although things can get heated, we self police. People will just leave if a disagreement is too strong.

We don't have professional trolls and fuckwits invading (a reason why I'm not naming the place is to keep it that way), but if they did, I'd expect the admin would simply take a ban those disrupting the community. It's not worth the headache of trying to reason with inherently unreasonable people. And it's not worth it to let them sabotage the site by taking such a measure as the one proposed.
Well, keep in mind, if we do referral-only, there's a strong chance I'm gonna start recruiting, so it isn't gonna be completely stagnant.

I suppose there's also a third option... A domain change. I was gonna do it before anyway, but I later thought it perhaps wasn't necessary.
 

Arnox

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Houseman said:
I vote no, keep it open, and just ban people that don't contribute to conversations
It doesn't work like that. Not entirely anyway. The rules do a very good job of sieving good posts from bad, but at the end of the day, people can say what they want.
 

Houseman

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Arnox said:
Houseman said:
I vote no, keep it open, and just ban people that don't contribute to conversations
It doesn't work like that. Not entirely anyway. The rules do a very good job of sieving good posts from bad, but at the end of the day, people can say what they want.
Well then keep on sieving on. I still vote to keep it open, though.
 

juicebox

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If i'm allowed to have a vote, just require new members to have admin approval and ban them if they act up

If you can see their IPs what's the worst that can happen? If you can't see their IPs you need a new hosting service

Block TOR exit nodes if you have to
 

Monoochrom

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I see the dillemma. Arnox can't really ban them without making changes to the rules or establishing a inconsistent pattern of moderation. Both things that I remind you all are problems on the escapist.

Honestly, I don't really see a good solution. Even a Domain change wouldn't really help as long as these people connect Arnox to it.

Personally, I'd probably just indiscriminately ban tham for the time being. You knkw, if they act up.
 

Signa

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juicebox said:
If i'm allowed to have a vote,
I don't see why not. You've been very respectful thus far, and you aren't completely vapid either.
 

infinityshock

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i voted 'yes' so that others arent suffered the shitfest that is this shithole. you really should close registration completely

Arnox said:
hai gaiys. im jus checksing to see who wants to latch onto my ass and and agree with whatever stupit-ass idea i come up with and who hates me. this is all up to you gaiys slong az you agree wiff me and what my stuffed dragon with his magic strapon dong tells me. lolololo smiles fistbump assgrab cockhuff
translated that for you

might as well change the subtitle to 'arnie the dragon cockmasters romper room.' that whole 'freedom bla bla bla' is a term you have zero concept of, much less any intention...or capacity...of living up to.

you sloppy bottom bitch...you didnt learn your lesson the first time you fucked the poodle on this whole website thing and youre doing it again, full throttle. theres a reason your shit site was then and is now a shit site...the same reason lanny-fag and his shit site is a shit site. anyone coming over from your first iteration of this shit site is going to relentlessly emphasize what a retard fail-fag you are until you do the exact same thing you did last time: go pout in your safe space of dragon posters and stuffed fuzzy animals with really big strapons.

think about it, idiot: theres two or three posters on here that actually make posts and two or three threads that get posted in a day. thats not a website. there are graveyards that have higher alexa ratings, idiot. that unterbottom whos scared of guns posting in the gun thread...that is the quality of posters youve got going on. and youre all hoity-toity about this place like its some exclusive club. fucking rich.

youre having delusions of the success of the original totse and are trying to fool yourself into thinking you can duplicate that. it is impossible, you, specifically, you yourself, do not have that capacity. youve demonstrated what you have in the past, and demonstrated what you have in the present. the most obvious thing youve demonstrated is you havent learned jack shit. im not going to elaborate any further than that, youre too stupid to grasp the concept. before you get the idea in your pretty little head that you know more about websites than i do, you dont. i have been internetzing since before you were born and the best advice you can take from me is to give up with this delusional fantasy of yours, stick with the delusional fantasies youre good at: happy dragon porn, and let this domain name die the death it so richly deserves. youve already ruined it once. the only future you have is either: as it is now, with 2 or 3 posters who joyfully coddle your sack, making 2 or 3 kroz-tier faggotized posts a day, or you curling up into the fetal position, sucking your thumb, and yanking the cord to your PC out of the wall.

the best thing you can do to improve your life is to either kill yourself or lock yourself in a room with your stuffed dragon collection and mutually fellate each other.

kill yourself. the universe will be a happier place.
 

infinityshock

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Signa said:
juicebox said:
If i'm allowed to have a vote,
I don't see why not. You've been very respectful thus far, and you aren't completely vapid either.
look at you...acting like youre all kinds of speshul and important and stuff.

just because your mother told you that you were speshul doesnt mean anyone else thinks so.

youll do well here. youre a good little dragoncock coddler.
 

SupahEwok

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Arnox, nobody's gonna complain if you ban him, you know. He's had his chance, and he's taken it to be as almost as vile a human being as I can imagine.
 

infinityshock

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SupahEwok said:
Arnox, nobody's gonna complain if you ban him, you know. He's had his chance, and he's taken it to be as almost as vile a human being as I can imagine.
i will jam my cock so far up your esophagus that when i blow my load itll pop your eyeballs out of the sockets like a chihuahua getting run under by a freight train.
 

Arnox

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juicebox said:
If i'm allowed to have a vote, just require new members to have admin approval and ban them if they act up
This is the current policy at the moment, but I'm tired of cleaning up the messes I had to clean up before and I wanna head this all off at the pass if I can.

Monoochrom said:
Even a Domain change wouldn't really help as long as these people connect Arnox to it.
The domain would change and only those I've PMed the new domain to would know about it. I might just change the IP too, but I wonder if that's really necessary.
 

Houseman

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SupahEwok said:
Arnox, nobody's gonna complain if you ban him, you know. He's had his chance, and he's taken it to be as almost as vile a human being as I can imagine.
I think he'll get banned due to his own violations eventually

A shame I'll never get to destroy his world-view in a religious debate
 

Signa

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Houseman said:
SupahEwok said:
Arnox, nobody's gonna complain if you ban him, you know. He's had his chance, and he's taken it to be as almost as vile a human being as I can imagine.
I think he'll get banned due to his own violations eventually

A shame I'll never get to destroy his world-view in a religious debate

Does he have a world view? He is chaos incarnate, and not in a cool way like The Joker. He's just a whirlwind of anger and hate and doesn't know where or how to direct it.
 

Signa

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I hope for his sake that's true. On the other hand, it takes a lot of anger and hate to do what he's doing in character. You don't register on a forum where no one wants you aren't the least bit mad about something. He didn't really attack anyone here other than Arnox until we started dog piling him.
 

Signa

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Arnox said:
Signa said:
until we started dog piling him.
Yeah, don't do that. Trolls feed on attention and you all gave him a fucking banquet.
It depends on the kind of attention. I made him more ridiculous than he was being. I out trolled the troll. The attention trolls seek is the kind of rage their posts should illicit. I never gave him what he was looking for, but I gave him what he deserved.
 
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