Theory: LEOs Don't Want to Find the UnitedHealthcare CEO's Assassin

[Houseman]

Depends heavily on how you look at it.

By definition, the death penalty is not murder, just like how, by definition, when the President orders a drone strike on what ends up being an innocent family gathering, it isn't a crime. You're the one who wants to use objective definitions, so go by the definitions in the law books, not the philosophy books.

Killing is making a choice to use your own power or the power of someone else to forcibly deprive another person of life.

Yeah, that's "killing", and not all killing is "murder"

Should, then, an insurance CEO who denies and/or delays treatment to hundreds of thousands of people

Do you think that CEOs are directly involved in denying coverage to people?
And also do people think that these insurance companies just deny people coverage on a whim, or to be jerks?
I've never dealt with insurance agents, so I don't know the extent to which they hem and haw if you have a claim and really need them. I have no personal experience, but it seems to me like, as with most everything else, there are rules and terms and conditions that you can either read or ignore when you sign up.

And what alternative is that?

I get my insurance from Healthcare.gov, and can choose from three or four providers specific to my area. Some are big and well known, others are local.

 

[Arnox]

By definition, the death penalty is not murder, just like how, by definition, when the President orders a drone strike on what ends up being an innocent family gathering, it isn't a crime. You're the one who wants to use objective definitions, so go by the definitions in the law books, not the philosophy books.

That's for Signa to say what he is talking about. I can't argue for or against something unless I know exactly what he means when he says something.

Yeah, that's "killing", and not all killing is "murder"

Yes, I know, but it seems like Signa is saying that what the insurance companies are doing is not "killing". In case that is what he is saying, I wanted to head that off at the pass, so to speak by defining killing.

Do you think that CEOs are directly involved in denying coverage to people?

Their company, their rules, their plan, their profits. Should Stalin have been seen as an innocent man because he wasn't technically the one who physically killed people?

And also do people think that these insurance companies just deny people coverage on a whim

Yes, people do think that. Because they DO do that. Although it's not necessarily "on a whim" so much as for profits of course.

I've never dealt with insurance agents, so I don't know the extent to which they hem and haw if you have a claim and really need them. I have no personal experience, but it seems to me like, as with most everything else, there are rules and terms and conditions that you can either read or ignore when you sign up.

Let's just say I've heard story after story after story from both online and offline about how utterly inadequate and expensive health insurance is. And also, if the situation around health insurance was really not that bad, do you think people would be even half as mad with these insurance companies as they currently are? The only escape really is Medicaid, but even with that, there's a major welfare cliff there in terms of actually being eligible for even a paid plan. If your income isn't low enough, bye-bye Medicaid.

I get my insurance from Healthcare.gov, and can choose from three or four providers specific to my area. Some are big and well known, others are local.

Ok. Except if you refuse your employer's insurance, you very probably have to pick up the entire premium attached to any other plan. And the minimum requirements of coverage an employer's plan has to meet are pretty low. And again, this is all assuming your insurance isn't going to deny any of your claims for whatever reason they decide regardless.

 

[Houseman]

And also, if the situation around health insurance was really not that bad, do you think people would be even half as mad with these insurance companies as they currently are?

How mad are "people" currently?
The only "people" I've seen that are mad are redditors and twitter users, but they're always mad about everything.

 

[gaijinkaiju]

Let's just say I've heard story after story after story

Source: It came to me in a dream

 

[Arnox]

How mad are "people" currently?

Pretty much ALL of my family. For starters.

Source: It came to me in a dream

Fucking hell. Really guys? I really have to provide a source for this of all things? Ok, fine. Here's a source.

Doctor calls out claim denials amid UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting

The killing of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO has sparked widespread outrage at the U.S. health care system.

www.newsnationnow.com

Here's another source.

UnitedHealthcare accused of relying on AI algorithms to deny Medicare Advantage claims

United Healthcare is being accused of denying a growing number of claims for post-acute care as it shifted to using artificial intelligence to automate the process.

www.foxbusiness.com

Oh look, here's another source.

Healthcare claim denial statistics: State of Claims Report 2025 - Healthcare Blog

Get the latest health insurance claim denial statistics and learn how automated solutions can help with better claims management.

www.experian.com

And these source may not even be factoring in cases that, in the END were accepted, but the patient was forced to jump through ridiculous hoops. And also not counting the other factors I was just talking about such as inadequate coverage regardless.

If people ask, I can also talk to one of my relatives who was given the middle finger by an insurance company for a ridiculously long time before they finally paid out. My relative had to go to court for it.

 

[gaijinkaiju]

Pretty much ALL of my family. For starters.



Fucking hell. Really guys? I really have to provide a source for this of all things? Ok, fine. Here's a source.

Doctor calls out claim denials amid UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting

The killing of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO has sparked widespread outrage at the U.S. health care system.

www.newsnationnow.com

Here's another source.

UnitedHealthcare accused of relying on AI algorithms to deny Medicare Advantage claims

United Healthcare is being accused of denying a growing number of claims for post-acute care as it shifted to using artificial intelligence to automate the process.

www.foxbusiness.com

Oh look, here's another source.

Healthcare claim denial statistics: State of Claims Report 2025 - Healthcare Blog

Get the latest health insurance claim denial statistics and learn how automated solutions can help with better claims management.

www.experian.com

And these source may not even be factoring in cases that, in the END were accepted, but the patient was forced to jump through ridiculous hoops. And also not counting the other factors I was just talking about such as inadequate coverage regardless.

If people ask, I can also talk to one of my relatives who was given the middle finger by an insurance company for a ridiculously long time before they finally paid out. My relative had to go to court for it.

I'll be honest, I couldn't care less about this. I just wanted to make a joke

 

[Arnox]

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr_iu-pQtNc)

I'm not posting this for the video itself though so much as the comments on the video. It's story after story of people being in agonizing pain or even losing their lives due to insurance bullshit.