The Beast Revelation

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

You can keep your bleeding heart, I'm not interested. That may be your way of handling this situation, but it is not mine. I am way past that.

Ok im now curious friend of what kind of bleeding heart am I in your view?

 

[Arnox]

I think you will find this statement to be a lie. Soon, I may require an apology.

A lie is an intentional fabrication. I have stated my honest thoughts on your words. But even if you are right, even if everything you say comes true and all you wish comes to pass, you are still not owed an apology, for you have not been wronged nor, to my knowledge, misunderstood.

 

[michae1]

A lie is an intentional fabrication. I have stated my honest thoughts on your words. But even if you are right, even if everything you say comes true and all you wish comes to pass, you are still not owed an apology, for you have not been wronged nor, to my knowledge, misunderstood.

No matter how honest you feel your statement is, a lie is a falsehood.

 

[Houseman]

We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven.

Now as in today? Or "Now" as in "the time this verse was written?"

Because I believe that Satan was already cast out of heaven, and is now bound to the earth

We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven.

Flesh-and-blood humans cannot walk around in heaven. Heaven is part of the spiritual realm, only spirit creatures can 'go' there.
Jesus could not just ditch his physical form and go to heaven, that would ruin the whole point of why Jesus was a human in the first place.

None of this really matters, because I agree with you that the beast of Revelation 13 is not Satan. Satan is the dragon that gives the beast its authority (13:4)

There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666.

The seven-headed beast and the two-horned beast are different "entities", not different descriptions of the same thing. The very description of it acknowledges this, as it interacts with the previous beast.

“And I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking as a dragon. And it exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the first wild beast, whose death-stroke got healed. And it performs great signs, so that it should even make fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind.” Revelation 13:11-13

The beast whose number is 666 is this second beast.

. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone.

I believe the six of the seven heads of the wild beast make up the major world powers that existed in John's time, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. As it says in 17:10, five have fallen, one is, and the other is not yet. The seventh head, the seventh world power, did not exist in John's time, but now exists. The heads have a chronological ordering to them. Only one of them "is", meaning, is active and ruling, at a time.

But these ten horns do not necessarily represent ten literal countries, but assuming they did, it wouldn't mean that these ten powerful countries wouldn't be exerting their influence on the rest of the world. Imagine if the 10 most powerful countries on earth all agreed to impose some kind of rule, and all those who wanted to trade or do business in these countries needed to follow that rule? Everyone would adopt that rule.

The horns do not belong to the head they are attached to. That would mean only one or two "countries" are "active" at a time, with the head that "is". The horns represent all the major political powers of the world, not just ten of them. (see below about the signifgance of the number ten)

Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why?

Why do you think this mark is literal, when so much of Revelation isn't?

The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed.

I disagree. Given 17:10, five of these heads, these nations have already fallen. They were already in the past. They might still be around in some form, but they are no longer dominant world powers. That only leaves two, one that was active during John's day, and another that would come later. So which head do you think was wounded, the seventh? Would that mean that Palestine is the seventh head?

. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule.

An easier explanation is that the ten "horns" are just divided up between the seven heads. Some heads have one horn, others have two. In the bible, the number ten stands for "the whole of something". For example, the ten commandments, ten plagues, Jesus' parable at Luke 19:13, and ten days of Revelation 2:10

This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war.

The heads fell, not the horns. The seven heads, that mean seven mountains, also mean seven kings, since they are seven nations. The horns ALSO mean "kings". There are "seven kings" and then separately, "ten kings", the horns, which "have not yet received a kingdom"

In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings.

True, but that was a different beast, and a different prophecy.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

What about the "great wonders" and "making fire come down from heaven" in verse 13?
I don't think Hamas is doing that. They're not that powerful.

Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam.

No, his rest was after creating Adam. Genesis 1:26, he creates humans, and that is explicitly the "sixth day", in verse 31.
The seventh day is also explicitly named in Genesis 2:2, when he "rested". What follows in Genesis 2 is essentially a more specific retelling of the events of Genesis 1.

Also, Genesis 2:4 hurts your theory about "days", since it refers to the entire 6 or 7 day period as one single "day".

If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand.

Why should we assume that God works on a literal schedule of seven "days" of 1000 years?

Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords

That's stupid, you can't just say that a common Hebrew word was cleverly placed there to identify some guy who came later. No, this is not "word substitution either".

Plus this prophesy at Daniel 9:24-27 is explicitly about the Messiah.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

No matter how honest you feel your statement is, a lie is a falsehood.

And yet you come here to spread a 2000 year old book of lies and falsehood, thinking you're virtuous and honest. Major league hypocrisy vibes. Never do IdPol kids. It leads to a path of roses, lined with corpses, towards a castle of tyranny.

 

[michae1]

And yet you come here to spread a 2000 year old book of lies and falsehood, thinking you're virtuous and honest. Major league hypocrisy vibes. Never do IdPol kids. It leads to a path of roses, lined with corpses, towards a castle of tyranny.

I did as I have said. I brought the words that I am required. Thank you for your time.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

Hey @michae1 I got a question. I heard there is a scroll that talks about the end times and the angels. Is it truthful?

 

[Arnox]

I did as I have said. I brought the words that I am required. Thank you for your time.

Do you not have your own thoughts and feelings? Can you not think for yourself and must be told in every particular what you must and must not think and do?

 

[michae1]

Hey @michae1 I got a question. I heard there is a scroll that talks about the end times and the angels. Is it truthful?

I believe you are describing the book of Enoch. Yes, it is truthful...

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

No no I mean the other scroll. It’s the Dead Sea Scroll. Rumor has it one of the Beasts is using it and is in control of the UN. They are German as their name is soul but in their native tongue.

 

[michae1]

No no I mean the other scroll. It’s the Dead Sea Scroll. Rumor has it one of the Beasts is using it and is in control of the UN. I can’t think of there name but they got a rainbow upside down triangle and seven eyes.

You tell me, I have no knowledge of such a scroll.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

I can’t reveal to much Information as they are watching me. They are working on a project that will be a global reset to merge all of humanity into a single collective conciseness. That will worship whoever pulls the trigger.

 

[michae1]

I can’t reveal to much Information as they are watching me. They are working on a project that will be a global reset to merge all of humanity into a single collective conciseness. That will worship whoever pulls the trigger.

Who's they?

 

[Houseman]

Who's they?

SEELE.

I'm disappointed you didn't even acknowledge anything I typed.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

SEELE.

I'm disappointed you didn't even acknowledge anything I typed.

He could be working on it, but I doubt it. It would run counter to his programming to acknowledge anything.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

SEELE.

I'm disappointed you didn't even acknowledge anything I typed.

Im disappointed he didn’t get the joke. I wanted to see how his reaction would be. Im impressed you got it @Houseman I thought I worded it bad. I guess your Chop Liver to Mr Doomsday over here. I surprised he didn’t call us all heathens or anything like that.

 

[Houseman]

Im disappointed he didn’t get the joke. I wanted to see how his reaction would be. Im impressed you got it @Houseman I thought I worded it bad. I guess your Chop Liver to Mr Doomsday over here. I surprised he didn’t call us all heathens or anything like that.

I suppose people who post the same exact essay, without revisions, for at least 10 years aren't going to suddenly start taking notes.
If they were open to criticism, you would think that they would have at least slightly modified their manifesto.

But like Vendor-Lazarus says, maybe he's working on it. This 10-year-old essay is probably not fresh in his mind anymore, so he might have to crack open his old dusty tomes and do some research. But people who post 10-year-old essays in the first place are probably not reasonable people in the first place.

Here's hoping, though!

 

[Arnox]

people who post 10-year-old essays in the first place are probably not reasonable people in the first place.

Thread 'A Call For Extremism (By Ghost Prototype)'

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What is an extremist? Or rather, what comes to mind when one is mentioned? There are a number of things people think of, such as a lunatic, terrorists, or someone whose actions far outweigh their cause. So then, what is the opposite? Is it a normal person? Well, let me tell you something about normal people: They contain more apathy than the sky holds stars. There could be innumerable evils in the world (and who’s to say there isn’t?), and the average man will do nothing to stop it. He will complain, but in the end his words will be only that – words. Unless the solution has a high...

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Joking aside though, I don't think it's necessarily the fact that he's posting old-ass essays so much as he's not giving any substantial defense to his essay. I dunno, maybe he thought he was just gonna be tragically martyred (banned) as soon as he posted this, but then found out we don't do that shit, so he got caught like a deer in the headlights.

 

[Houseman]

Welp, now he erased all of his posts. What a coward.

It would be funny if you brought them back, and then restricted him from further edits.

 

[Lost-Zeneration-99]

Well that was fun while it lasted. I find it impressive someone would stand by a 10 year old manifesto like that. So now the question is what broke him? He was pretty defensive about his ideas then jumped off the ship without a warning, and took everything with him.

Hey @Arnox you have everything backed up don’t you? Be good to you know, have his ideas in stone for the future generations. I would hate for him to not be remembered in history.

 

[Battousai]

Was that dude expecting to be banned and martyred or some shit? My guy is this your first time on the internet? We need to get our fun out of your bullshit first and foremost. The rest is just a bonus.

 

[Arnox]

Welp, now he erased all of his posts. What a coward.

It would be funny if you brought them back, and then restricted him from further edits.

Which is exactly what's going to happen. Deleting posts is against the rules of Sanctuary unless there is PI in the post.

 

[Arnox]

EDIT: Posts have been restored.

 

[Houseman]

lol, owned