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I'm not completely aboard the freedom of information train

Signa

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Ok, help me understand the principle of freedom of information. I believe in maximum liberty for all people, but information is not a person. I'm extremely pro free speech, but speech can't hurt anyone like the wrong info getting out can.

With speech, I can say there is a clear line when you've gone too far: instances that lead to violence or harm, like yelling fire in a crowded theater or lies and slander.

With information, the line is very murky. Someone's personal info is not a bad thing to have if you're a friend looking to contact them. The same exact info in the hands of an enemy could lead to that person's death of that enemy has the wrong intenions. So how do you delineate between freedom of information and having maximum liberty for all people?
 

Arnox

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I'm actually very glad you asked this as I was thinking about the exact same thing here these past couple days. I'll do a writeup on this soon.
 

SupahEwok

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Far as I can tell, freedom of information advocates believe that information is an object, and therefore is imbued with qualities, for which they advocate that freedom is a natural one. Personally, I believe that information is an abstraction of communicated experiences, and that although the communication and the experiences may have qualities, the abstract notion tying them together as information does not. Ergo, information has no inherent morality, it is simply a means to forward causes, which are the true holders of philosophical qualities. That in turn makes information as good or evil as its intended use, and by the ones using it.

To be fair, I don't find the concept of liberty to be universally good either, but that's for another topic.
 

Arnox

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OK, the more I thought about this question, the nastier it got in terms of complexity. The question of whether information should be free and if so, what kinds, hooks up to other subjects, most notably patents and law enforcement. Before we lose ourselves down this rabbit hole though, let's first quickly define what information is exactly. I'm not going to get into philosophy here and I'm just going to say that for purposes of our discussion, information can be defined as simply facts about something or someone. Nothing more or less.

There is one thing for sure though that came to me throughout my thinking about this subject. That the answer of whether information should be free or not is not a this or that answer, meaning, the answer is not that completely all information should be free, period, no matter what, and is also not that completely all information should be restricted somehow.

OK, fine. But how do we decide which information should be withheld from the general public and which shouldn't? We answer that by calculating the risks and benefits of releasing the information we have. Let's take someone's Social Sec. number for example. If we withhold that information, nobody is harmed or can be harmed by not knowing that, besides of course the individual it's assigned to. But if we give it, it would naturally only lead to someone sooner or later stealing that SS number and using it illegitimately.

Now let's take another piece of information. The information that quartz crystal is mostly found in igneous, metamorphic, and sedimentary rocks. If we gave that information out, it wouldn't do anyone any harm if the general public knew it. Or if it was, the risk is so small as to be pretty much non-existent. But if we withhold that information, it would only be a detriment to geological studies.

But those two examples are both easy mode. Let's shift gears now and talk about law enforcement and ethical procurement of evidence. Just how far is too far when it comes to how much we allow law enforcement to gather information about our lives? How much is too much? How much is too little? What personal information is off-limits, if any, when it comes to prosecuting others?

And even if we solve that, we haven't even touched how the patenting of software should work. Should it even be allowed? Or if we allow it, can we allow others to see the code but simply not to modify it or distribute it without proper authorization from the programmer/company? Or would it simply be better if the code was allowed to remain hidden entirely? In a perfect society, all information should definitely be free. But we are not in a perfect society, and I don't believe it's ethical to force someone to distribute their software for free if they don't want to. But at the same time, that isn't and should never be an excuse for a software developer to write software that is harmful to users and then turn around and cry about someone invading their patent on it when others inevitably reverse-engineer it and find out just how harmful the code is.

Perhaps we can only pick the lesser of two evils. Honestly, if I had to choose in this case, I'd choose that software must remain free to edit and distribute. But at the same time, the commercialization of software has brought some good things too, believe it or not, such as bringing a certain standard to the table. When you know that a group of people are using the same software, you can build on that much more easily instead of having to accommodate, say, 5 different software standards written by 5 different developers.

I guess at the end of the day, each piece of information needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis with a bias towards freedom of information instead of away. There may be some information in which it's murky to say whether it should be contained or set free, but at the very least, there is information that we can all agree should be free. Information that corrupt governments and corporations wouldn't want us to know. Information that the public should have access to. And that's pretty much where Sanctuary stands.
 

Signa

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Arnox said:
While I don't think there was a single piece there I disagreed with, I'm looking at it from an angle of defining principles. On a case-by-case basis, the individuals holding the information get to choose what is right or wrong. That's a dangerous slope to be on, because what is good to one person could be bad to another. Software is a perfect example, where a developer can spend years crafting his code, and he should be allowed to capitalize on his work. On the other hand, you have the pirates that just want to distribute everything because its information and therefore should be free. Who gets to decide that the program was worth harming for the greater good? Does the programmer even get a say in how his work is treated?

That may be the best anti-piracy argument I've ever made as a pro-pirate, but I have never really pretended my piracy habits are an act of good. It's an act of control for me, and because I have other principles, I make sure that the programmer gets rewarded for his work since I enjoyed/used it, and it had value to me.
 
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