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Are we gonna get Trump for another term?

Considering we have a red Senate and, I hope, a red House, I think there's a real chance we'll start seeing some persecution if only because it's what the people want, and the Democrats' miserable defeat this election demonstrates what happens when you ignore the will of the people. And if Harris had gotten in, things would be getting worse, just as they were under Biden, just as they did under Obama. So yeah, Trump was the best presidential candidate this year, and I'm glad he won. We got a red President, we got a red Senate, and gods willing, we'll have a red House and finally start seeing some positive change in this country.

Bruh, the Republicans are just as fucked as the Democrats and I am so fucking tired of people not seeing it. The only realistic thing that will truly fix this country at this point is if we completely start over. And I mean a full audit of the US Constitution and mass re-election of every single national and state office holder. That is it. Anything less than this is just pissing about in the wind, and ESPECIALLY the 2024 presidential election. I recently read a good quote on this that I want to repeat here: The lesser of two evils is still an evil. And that's assuming that Trump actually IS the lesser of two evils, which I think is total bullshit. Both major candidates are equally awful, just in different ways.

Oh, also, states should be providing the majority of relief funds followed by national, as I understand it.
 
Bruh, the Republicans are just as fucked as the Democrats and I am so fucking tired of people not seeing it. The only realistic thing that will truly fix this country at this point is if we completely start over. And I mean a full audit of the US Constitution and mass re-election of every single national and state office holder. That is it. Anything less than this is just pissing about in the wind, and ESPECIALLY the 2024 presidential election. I recently read a good quote on this that I want to repeat here: The lesser of two evils is still an evil. And that's assuming that Trump actually IS the lesser of two evils, which I think is total bullshit. Both major candidates are equally awful, just in different ways.

Oh, also, states should be providing the majority of relief funds followed by national, as I understand it.
The Republicans didn't back the goddamn BLM and Antifa terrorists that rioted in our country a few years back. The Republicans haven't been censoring news stories that contradict them left and right, and haven't gotten the majority of mainstream media networks in their pockets. The Republicans weren't the ones who authorized $250B for the Ukraine war effort. (My family informed me that this is false; the Republicans did support that, so fuck them for that.) The Republicans weren't the ones who shuttled in millions of goddamn illegals, including drug dealers, murderers, and rapists, into our country.

Are the Republicans innocent? Hell no. But they haven't been the goddamn problem party for the last few years. They weren't the ones who drove former Democrats to leave in droves. They weren't the ones who turned a lot of moderates red. The Democrats have been hemorraging voters, because of their own actions.

I'm so fucking tired of seeing people try to defend the Left when there's nothing to defend about them. They have acted absolutely deplorable and they're getting the comeuppance they deserve. You can complain about people taking a side all you want, but it's not going to change the minds of millions of legal, taxpaying American citizens who work their asses off to make a living, who bother calculating their taxes every year to make Don Uncle Sam happy, who are routinely exploited to support criminals and other parasites from their own country and beyond, and who are fucking fed up with politicians, especially the Left as of now.

How do you propose "starting over"? Who's going to conduct that audit and ensure it remains completely objective? Where is the manpower necessary for that going to come from? I don't think one of us here can rightly make that decision, because we're all biased. So who in this whole country is in the right to make that decision? Who in this country is actually the right candidate for President? Who should we be supporting instead of Trump? Whose side are we supposed to be taking? And I won't accept "Harris", nor any other Leftist, as an answer.

EDIT: Sigh...I really hate when this side of me flares up. Most of the time, I'm trying to be chill and just enjoy life, you know? But, I've had to keep my frustrations pent up due to so many sites having an unspoken rule that contradicting the dominant mentality is unacceptable, and I've ended up either leaving or being forced out of every forum I've ever frequented as a result. It's never been a conflict with a Right-leaning person that lead to that; it's always, always been someone Left-leaning who royally pissed me off or even abused their position to silence me. So, I've got very passionate, and hateful, feelings towards the Left as a whole. And maybe you've had similar experiences with the Right; maybe a Christian harassed you, or accused you of spreading "misinformation" when you were speaking what your heart knew to be true. I don't know your full story, just as you don't know mine.

So, maybe it will help if we talk about why we feel the way we do? Greater understanding more likely leads to peace, and regardless of our individual feelings, I think we both want that.
 
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The Republicans didn't back the goddamn BLM and Antifa terrorists that rioted in our country a few years back.

Looks like the demos didn't either.

The Republicans haven't been censoring news stories that contradict them left and right

No, they just back bills that would strip away your rights to privacy and right to firearms. (Check the Blacklist I linked in my last post on the Senate side.) Though, when has the Democratic party officially sought to censor news stories? Also, Trump banned bump stocks because ermahgerd automatics.

The Republicans weren't the ones who authorized $250B for the Ukraine war effort.

Yes, they did. Regardless though, do you have a problem with Ukraine or something? Or a problem with the amount given?

But they haven't been the goddamn problem party for the last few years.

Hard disagree. Again, see aforementioned Blacklist.

They weren't the ones who drove former Democrats to leave in droves.

Both political sides claim that. Hell, I saw threads on Reddit claiming the exact opposite.

I'm so fucking tired of seeing people try to defend the Left when there's nothing to defend about them.

I don't defend the left. Or the right.

You can complain about people taking a side all you want

I complain about extremism and the illusion propagated by both parties, both equally corrupt, that things HAVE to be Republican vs. Democrat, and that you and I, mere plebs, don't have power but only to go to either side. But we do. You are powerful, Islander. I fight against the idea that we can't unify. We CAN. We should. We should try to understand the other side as much as possible, even if we don't agree with them all the time. We start with some empathy.

"The greatest lie that this generation has believed is the idea that we don't have power."
- Andreas M. Antonopoulos

How do you propose "starting over"?

Ideally... A state, hopefully multiple states, would peacefully declare independence from the US. Realistically, it will probably take a carefully organized revolution, and we all know how wonderfully fun those are for everyone. >_>

Who's going to conduct that audit and ensure it remains completely objective?

We found people to do it in 1787. We can certainly find people to do it now. With that said, most of the hard work has already been done by the founding fathers. The biggest thing that would need to be done is implementation of the voting restriction and franchise system. But I already wrote out prototypes for that. How votes are counted also needs a complete change, but that's a very easy fix.

I don't think one of us here can rightly make that decision, because we're all biased.

Everyone's biased to some degree. We just have to make due with what we have. But again, most of the hard work has already been done. Note that I said we need an AUDIT, not a complete re-creation.

Who should we be supporting instead of Trump?

At this point, anyone that isn't a Republican or Democrat. It doesn't matter who as long as the Republican/Democrat party lock is broken. Then we can start looking into who is actually fit to be in office. Baby steps first though. But also again, the presidency is a red herring. Congress is where everyone should be focused.
 
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DeBlasio openly sided with the BLM and even authorized their logo to be spraypainted all over the street in front of the Trump building. I remember a Democrat governor, I forget her name and the state she governed, saying the terrorists needed "Room to destroy". I was following the riots. The Democrats were in power at the time, they could have easily stopped the rioters if they didn't support them. But not only did they support them, they tried to defund the police just to strip away that extra layer of protection against those monsters.
No, they just back bills that would strip away your rights to privacy and right to firearms. (Check the Blacklist I linked in my last post on the Senate side.) Though, when has the Democratic party officially sought to censor news stories?
A lot of those are probably RINOs. I don't know for certain though. But Republicans are supposed to be pro-gun, so they sound like RINOs to me. Though does "assault weapon" refer to assault rifles, as in submachine guns, specifically? Or did they extend that definition to include guns in general? In that case, yeah, definitely RINOs; a hardcore Republican would want to make money off selling guns.

"Officially"? So we're agreeing that unofficially they indeed were trying to do just that? I know that they were banning videos exposing the dark secrets of the COVID-19 vaccine. And through the entertainment industry, they were pushing woke messages without leaving any room for alternatives for people who didn't want to see their traditionally straight, cisgender, white-skinned, red-haired protagonists turned into some combination of nonwhite LGBTQ mouthpieces. Oh, sure, Blackrock were the primary force pushing that, but where do you think they got the money to keep failing woke companies like Disney afloat from? I have no proof of this, granted, but it's pretty evident: Woke companies push Leftist messages, Blackrock and other similar groups funnel them money so they don't go completely bankrupt from alienating 90% of their fanbase, preserving the illusion that they're still a successful, wholesome family company when the truth couldn't be more opposite, and that money comes from taxpayer dollars collected by Leftist governments.
Yes, they did. Regardless though, do you have a problem with Ukraine or something? Or a problem with the amount given?
I did correct myself on that after my family pointed out they did support that. Fuck them for that. I have a problem with my country donating money to a war we really have no place in while people are starving in our own streets, and they're shepherding in millions more that will only put further strain on our resources. I don't side with Russia or Ukraine; they've both done dirty things, and I'd rather we stay out of it.
Both political sides claim that. Hell, I saw threads on Reddit claiming the exact opposite.
The exact opposite of what, exactly? That the Republicans were convincing Democrats to leave their own party to support Trump?
I don't defend the left. Or the right.
You seem pretty focused on demonizing Trump and the Republicans as of late, which gives the impression of greater Leftist sympathy. Or for some reason you consider the Republicans the greater threat, as I do the Democrats. I'd be interested in hearing from you what's horrible about Kamala Harris, as you claim she's just as bad as Trump but in a different way. As for me, I'm aware of Trump's background. He's hardly a heroic man, and I've heard his supporters have done some radical things as well. I've been wary of supporting him for the past few years, and actually sank into depression at first because no option seemed right. I even began hating most of humanity for being assholes and monsters, and was just waiting for humanity to destroy itself. I've gotten better since then, but the emotional scars from 2020 are still there, and I doubt they'll ever completely heal.

So, let it be clear: I don't defend either side, myself. We just seem to disagree on which is the bigger threat right now.
I complain about extremism and the illusion propagated by both parties, both equally corrupt, that things HAVE to be Republican vs. Democrat, and that you and I, mere plebs, don't have power but only to go to either side. But we do. You are powerful, Islander. I fight against the idea that we can't unify. We CAN. We should. We should try to understand the other side as much as possible, even if we don't agree with them all the time. We start with some empathy.

"The greatest lie that this generation has believed is the idea that we don't have power."
- Andreas M. Antonopoulos
I say "fuck you" to everyone who thinks they can tell me how to live, and I welcome those who respect my rights and are willing to let me be. They get one chance to show empathy, and if they blow it, I will not show empathy to them.
Ideally... A state, hopefully multiple states, would peacefully declare independence from the US. Realistically, it will probably take a carefully organized revolution, and we all know how wonderfully fun those are for everyone. >_>
Would be easier to do in a time before hobbies like video games, swag collection, etc. gave people extra incentive to not endanger themselves.
We found people to do it in 1787. We can certainly find people to do it now. With that said, most of the hard work has already been done by the founding fathers. The biggest thing that would need to be done is implementation of the voting restriction and franchise system. But I already wrote out prototypes for that. How votes are counted also needs a complete change, but that's a very easy fix.
Except this isn't 1787. People today have very different mentalities from people back then (at least about some things), and technology is much more advanced and ubiquitous. The tactics that worked back then won't work now. One, corrupt government officials aren't just going to let people create a system where they have no power; they'll use armed force to eliminate any threats. Not necessarily soldiers; corrupt police officers or assassins will get the job done swimmingly, with far less evidence of the deed or risk of total revolt. Then, after you get past the inevitable armed suppression, there's the matter of convincing who knows how many millions of people with conflicting beliefs to gather together in some way to create a system of laws that they can all agree on that doesn't just lead us back to square one.

On a basic level, I agree with you: we need a new, better system. But I know all too well what that will entail, and I'm dubious that most people want to make the sacrifices necessary. That's why they rally behind whatever politician they think is least likely to screw them over; they would rather try and make changes within the existing system than to challenge the system as a whole.
Everyone's biased to some degree. We just have to make due with what we have. But again, most of the hard work has already been done. Note that I said we need an AUDIT, not a complete re-creation.
And are the politicians being audited just going to step down quietly? Haha, no - they'll do whatever they can to hold on to their power, be it bribery, intimidation, threats, or all-out war. An audit requires that the officials being audited are willing to cooperate in the first place, and if that were the case, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about the matter, would we?
At this point, anyone that isn't a Republican or Democrat. It doesn't matter who as long as the Republican/Democrat party lock is broken. Then we can start looking into who is actually fit to be in office. Baby steps first though. But also again, the presidency is a red herring. Congress is where everyone should be focused.
That's a pretty broad spectrum. I'm pretty sure Kim Jong Eel isn't a Dem or Rep, nor do I think we should be following him. I assume you mean some American independent who has the qualities of a good leader yet somehow hasn't risen to prevalence amidst the polarized political scene.

And yes, Congress is important as well. All three branches are important. Same idea applies to all of them: who is/are the right person/people, how do you find them, and how do you ensure they take office and keep it?
 
I'm with Signa. Trump may not be a saint, but he's better than the alternative. He's better than the Democrats who gave a mere $750 to tens of thousands of taxpaying citizens who lost everything to Helene. He respects our country's laws far more than Democrats who shuttled in millions of illegals, many of them criminals who have comitted atrocities against the taxpaying citizens. I will take Trump if it means putting an end to all of that.
Speaking of hurricane helene victims...
 

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