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Houseman

Zealot
Sanctuary legend
Messages
1,068
Power is the basis of if someone's good?
I never said said that.

See, this is how I know you're wrong. You can't answer my questions or engage with my actual argument. Instead, all you can do is attack strawmen.

You claimed this was a pro-free speech area
No I didn't.

Still waiting to see your fantastic site where you are respected and praised as a leader in the ongoing fight for truth, freedom, and justice.

It couldn't be that... nobody respects you? That people just think you're an annoying retard?

That's what I want to discuss: If your tactics are effective, and if so, where's the evidence. If everyone just thinks that you're an annoying retard, then maybe that's what you are. If, on the other hand, you can find even a DOZEN people saying "This Wynn guy has some good points! I think he's onto something!" then maybe I'm the one who's wrong, and maybe your tactics do work.

You wanna have a discussion? You wanna convey information? Then show me the people that agree with you.
Otherwise, I've conveyed what I wanted to convey: Your tactics of acting like an annoying retard are ineffective, and it's your own fault that you get banned.
 
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Epyc Wynn

Adherent
Messages
41
I never said said that.

See, this is how I know you're wrong. You can't answer my questions or engage with my actual argument. Instead, all you can do is attack strawmen.



No I didn't.

Still waiting to see your fantastic site where you are respected and praised as a leader in the ongoing fight for truth, freedom, and justice.

It couldn't be that... nobody respects you? That people just think you're an annoying retard?

That's what I want to discuss: If your tactics are effective, and if so, where's the evidence. If everyone just thinks that you're an annoying retard, then maybe that's what you are. If, on the other hand, you can find even a DOZEN people saying "This Wynn guy has some good points! I think he's onto something!" then maybe I'm the one who's wrong, and maybe your tactics do work.

You wanna have a discussion? You wanna convey information? Then show me the people that agree with you.
Otherwise, I've conveyed what I wanted to convey: Your tactics of acting like an annoying retard are ineffective, and it's your own fault that you get banned.
You must have grown up in an ugly culture to think respect and agreement of others makes you right. What a stupid opinion.
 

Houseman

Zealot
Sanctuary legend
Messages
1,068
You must have grown up in an ugly culture to think respect and agreement of others makes you right. What a stupid opinion.
That's yet another thing I've never said.

But I've asked you this same question three times now, and you've refused to answer it. I'm just going to continue to believe — due to a lack of evidence to the contrary and lots of evidence in support — that you are just an annoying retard that nobody respects or agrees with.

Open offer, feel free to prove me wrong anytime.
 

Arnox

Master
Staff member
Founder
Messages
5,285
Power is the basis of if someone's good? Charges? You claimed this was a pro-free speech area, I broke down how this ran afoul of the core nature of free speech in its handling of me. Everything you say just comes off as an in-bad-faith statement meant exclusively to discourage discussion. The point of a conversation is to convey information and I feel you have lost sight of that in pursuit of whatever mental victories you're trying to squeeze out of this. You remind me of the crazy Chinese nationalists who post online throwing anything at the wall that sticks just to barely convey the illusion of a rhetorical victory.



Don't claim to promote free speech if you don't promote free speech and merely promote yet another brand of diet censorship. Rules are not inherently just and no user has an obligation to follow them. Agreements are completely invalid online when they are barring one's access to communication -it is at that point it is a coercion against one's ability to be free. My rights do not end where forced arbitrary words begin. The exclusive point of all forum rules should always be to remove that which oppresses the user's freedom. If you cannot improve, then the world will not either.

If you choose to be awful and choose to not evolve and hone your ethics, it is inevitable you like everyone else will rub off on the world and create a domino effect of awful behavior. Should the world end, it's on your head too. I blame everyone who chooses not to take freedom and free speech seriously online and offline -they are the ones who deserve Donald Trump and 2020 and the Coronavirus and the conflict between nations and police brutality, most. Use your freedom, or lose your freedom. But quit pretending it's someone else's fault when you're part of these social problems and social isolation that have reached the climax you so dread.

Wanna know how to avoid the end of the world? -quit being a fucking pussy and fight for every individual's freedom, and if you're the one restricting the freedom, fight yourself too. Every time. Every problem. No matter how small or seemingly insignificant. If you can't send the message you give a shit about the freedom of yourself and every single individual around you even when you're fully capable of doing so, then you don't deserve a good world. Civility is just oppression under another name don't kid yourself. Empathy is given to people who genuinely care, not people who are polite. I hate every human being on Earth because none of you make the socio-emotional effort to care for others anymore, let alone preserve their freedom. I'm tired of this pseudointellectual bullshit about how we're all bound by rules and agreements and we're all obligated to follow them, as if anyone ever bought that load of oppressive crap. The social contract among people is broken and this is why: none of you make the effort to care for the isolated anymore.

Think and do whatever you want I'm done trying to be the ally of assholes who fuck me over when right and wrong become difficult and technical to uphold. You get what you fucking deserve.
Boy, you're trying SO hard to troll. But I got nothing better to do at the moment, and I like going on my little rants anyway so I'm gonna play ball for a bit.

The whole ideal of free speech is to allow all ideas an equal chance, no matter how great or awful they may be. In a public forum, such a free exchange of ideas promotes an expansion of one's mind to new perspectives they may not have otherwise seen. Sometimes those ideas are pleasant. Sometimes not so much. Sometimes the ideas are pure nonsense. But even the nonsense ideas get us to think about WHY they're nonsense. What makes an idea ludicrous and not ludicrous. And maybe those ideas have a kernel of truth in them that we may be able to extract.

Free speech also allows people to fully express who they are on the inside. Again, the pleasant things and the not-so-pleasant things are on full display which gives us an understanding of that person and maybe even an appreciation for them. Maybe we can relate.

As of all this happens, we begin to really see the world. We may not understand all of what we hear and see of it, but we finally have it, and we can work with that. Develop new ideas. Improve ourselves based on all the new information and perspectives we have gained.

Now, with all of that said, and considering the above, I'm going to ask you one simple question. How do the official rules of Sanctuary violate ANY of the above ideals?
 

Kaleion

Devotee
Sanctuary legend
Messages
208
Everyone is a chickenshit pussy when confronted with a moderator or policeman standing before them because they fear repercussions, but everyone is 'brave' when presented with the idea of a group of mods or police that isn't right at their doorstep. When a mod throws down I throw back. Should a policeman ever try to abuse their power against me, the same will apply. That's how it should be between any user and mod, and any citizen and policeman -anything less is an embarrassment to one's choice to live on this Earth. The day I get banned from this Earth is the day this Earth proves it was unworthy of me. That isn't bravery though that's just basic standards of how you're supposed to live.
I originally had much more to say and had written down a much longer response, but you know what this is Epyc Wynn, he's an idiot and not worth the time, I already tried being friendly and reasonable a long time ago and all I got was being called an imbecile because this guy is too much of a retard to get when someone has good intentions and is on his side, and I'm not so much of an idiot that I would keep sticking up for him even if I think he's just that way because he's mentally ill and I pity him.

So instead I'll just point out how hilarious is that this spineless little twerp somehow thinks he's brave for talking back to a mod and that he thinks this is somehow equivalent to standing up to the police, in person.
So let me tell you what happened to me when I stood up to the police, because unlike you I have enough spine to go to a protest, but I'm also stupid enough to talk back to the police, keep in mind this was years ago in 2014 regarding the massacre of Ayotzinapa which is regarding an event in México in which 9 civilians died, 20 were hospitalised & 43 were taken into custody by the police but never appeared, not in jail not in obituaries, nothing, in any case like any other optimistic young citizen I joined the protests, partly because of guilt because a girl was kidnapped in front of me and I couldn't do anything, like I couldn't even remember the car plates, but you know that's what life is like for me. Well getting to the point in one of these events some of us got arrested, fortunately I wasn't one of them but I was heckling the police like crazy and insulted them to their face, the thing is unlike everyone else there I lived close to the University we were protesting at, so apparently that asshole policeman remembered me and since he normally patrolled around where I lived he got me 2 days later when I was commuting to my home they stopped he and his partner, I of course started talking back immediately claiming they couldn't do jack shit "y que se fueran a la verga también" which wasn't a great idea but you know I was mad and not thinking clearly, so of course they smashed my head against their truck, my glasses fell to the ground and they stepped on them because of course they would, they also took my phone and my wallet and while they threatened me with planting drugs on me, while they didn't plant drugs on me, they didn't return my phone, they did throw my now 50 pesos (it's all I had) lighter wallet on the ground before leaving, I was lucky that I didn't get arrested though, but they did proceed to harass me for 2 weeks, as when I was on my way to work they would stop me and pat me down just to waste enough for me to be late, because they are that petty, so you know that cost me the punctuality bonus, but you can bet I stopped talking back to them, because after trying to report them and realising they wouldn't do jack shit, I realised that there's nothing absolutely nothing I could do to stand up to them.

So in any case, stop comparing standing up to a shitty little mod to standing up to the police, if anything the real world equivalent of a mod is a security guard or maybe a bouncer, and not even that because you know those people can hurt you, it's unlikely but plausible, you're just a moron egomaniac trying to twist the narrative in a way that makes you seem like a valiant hero, when in reality you're nothing more than a little pathetic idiot crying that you can't have your way.

BTW, even standing up to your mom requires more spine than standing up to a mod, so I'd seriously reconsider using that as an example of your bravery in the future, I assure you that you'll impress nobody.
 

Houseman

Zealot
Sanctuary legend
Messages
1,068
I've been to Wynn's Discord. It has more rules than this place does. One rule says "If a user asks you to stop with the personal insults, you must stop" or something like that. That seems to give users the power to censor other people in order to protect their feelings.

Does freedom of speech mean enforcing the censorship of others in order to protect an individuals feelings? Hmm?

Also, unironically, cool story Kaleion. I'd like to hear about the last time Wynn talked back to the police. Just joking, we all know he'd never do something like that.
 
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Epyc Wynn

Adherent
Messages
41
None of you are listening. Just the same old run-arounds and contrived whataboutisms. This is not a forum for free speech in rules or in spirit. This is just another circlejerk. One more reason the world should be awful.
 

Arnox

Master
Staff member
Founder
Messages
5,285
None of you are listening. Just the same old run-arounds and contrived whataboutisms. This is not a forum for free speech in rules or in spirit. This is just another circlejerk. One more reason the world should be awful.
Alright. Join our game servers this weekend! :D This week is UT2004.
 
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